Old 04-10-2012, 04:28 AM   #1
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I have here a photo rejected for "bad cropping" and "composition/balance." I just don't understand how this can be. Can anyone explain in detail? I showed the photo to a friend who has been in photography for over 40 years and he doesn't understand either. If anyone can shed any light, please let both of us know.

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Old 04-10-2012, 05:39 AM   #2
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Too much on the left side.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:31 AM   #3
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Rule of Thirds. Look it up. Basically, you have too much space on the left side of the frame and also above the train.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:32 AM   #4
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It's overexposed too.
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Rule of Thirds. Look it up.
Joe, you haven't been in photography for over 40 years, so how could you possibly know about the rule of thirds?
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:19 PM   #6
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I have plenty of "wiggle room" for this shot, so I'll recrop and see where it goes. BTW, we still don't see where the "Balance/composition" reject comes into play.
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too centred. goes back to having too much open space on the left side
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Rule of Thirds. Look it up. Basically, you have too much space on the left side of the frame and also above the train.
I hate to point this out, but if you actually divide the picture up, the nose of the lead engine is on the left 3rd, and the ditch light closest to the photographer is on the intersection of the left 3rd and the lower 3rd. If the front of the engine is supposed to be the focal point (and as far as shartpening, that's sure how the screeners thend to look at it), then it's where it ought to be. In other words, the photographer essentially followed the rule of thirds in this composition. Now, you (and the screener) may not find the stuff on the left of the frame particularly attractive, but don't blame it on the rule of thirds.

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too much on the left... cut out the Amtrak sign...
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:55 AM   #10
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I have cropped on the left in an attempt to improve the cropping, but still no luck. I can correct the sharpening issue, so that is not the problem I am so concerned about.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...56&key=9992386

It would help, as someone else said in another thread, if the screeners would give us a very detailed presentation of exactly just what they are looking for insofar as cropping is concerned. There seems to be a huge number of "bad cropping" rejections troubling others here too.
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............It would help, as someone else said in another thread, if the screeners would give us a very detailed presentation of exactly just what they are looking for insofar as cropping is concerned. There seems to be a huge number of "bad cropping" rejections troubling others here too.
And I would like to breathe underwater.

You know that ain't going to happen right?

It would take too much time.

* * * *

Now you cut off the corner of the station roof and the blue car is split which looks odd.

If the station is important, perhaps re-shoot it at a lesser angle?
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...00&key=8331469

Where is the "bad color?" I have recropped to get rid of the cut off roof of the station and the split blue car parked nearby.

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I'm not entirely sure you're out of Bad Cropland yet. You're at 1200X725 which seems very narrow to me. I look at this picture and think I want to see more of the tree to the right which would also show more train. Bad Cropping can also be Composition/Balance, too. The Bad Color here seems to be a hint of green or yellow that is too strong, but my 3 a.m. eyes could be seeing that wqrong.
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I see some yellowish and green tint as well and I am half awake right now Joe lol. But yeah as for the cropping, your left is fine, just try and show more tree on the right and add some top and bottom to balance it out and have correct dimensions.
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original did not follow rule of thirds. main subject point is about where the 55 is - the entire front 1/3 of the loco, not just the nose.
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