Old 09-30-2008, 11:22 PM   #1
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I'm afraid that I don't understand this one.
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To me there is a great orange swage at the bottom and some sort of blue mess at the R centre. The shot seems to be blurry.

Go on, tell me what I'm missing here.
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Old 09-30-2008, 11:53 PM   #2
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I'm a fan of Steve's shots and I am glad he is posting here, and being accepted. But this one doesn't work for me either as an RP or a non-RP artistic shot. I have no idea what the blue and orange in the foreground are supposed to be.
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It clearly looks like a reflection in the water to me. Its creative but yeah most would think its a blurry shot, which it sort of is.
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It clearly looks like a reflection in the water to me. Its creative but yeah most would think its a blurry shot, which it sort of is.
Oh, a puddle shot! It never crossed my mind.
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If it's a reflection, how come the numbers are the right way round?
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If it's a reflection, how come the numbers are the right way round?
He flipped the image in photoshop I would assume.
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:27 AM   #7
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The remarks section states "after she received a good scrubbing". That makes me believe it is a reflection shot which was edited to make it appear correctly. I like it. Even the mysterious yellow line. Although, maybe I'm just weird and like strange things.
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It clearly looks like a reflection in the water to me. Its creative but yeah most would think its a blurry shot, which it sort of is.
AHH! I see it now. Very interesting.
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I was talking to him about this shot earlier today, and it is indeed a puddle shot that's been flipped.
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I was talking to him about this shot earlier today, and it is indeed a puddle shot that's been flipped.
Seems if he hadn't flipped it, it would be an obvious puddle reflection and more people would "get" the shot. Anyone agree?


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Seems if he hadn't flipped it, it would be an obvious puddle reflection and more people would "get" the shot. Anyone agree?


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Yes me! I have to admit that sort of shot is not really my "cup of tea", but I would probably appreciate it more if it was left reversed.
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I thought it might be through some old wavy glass. The splash, is the light from an overhang. Then again, that could be oil in the water on the right and just above the light splash at the bottom
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Isn't flipping an image kind of taking alteration a bit too far? It is not even what you see when you are taking the picture, because after all, if you are looking at a reflection, it is "reversed." So the picture isn't actually an accurate representation of the actual scene.
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Isn't flipping an image kind of taking alteration a bit too far?
Well, not in general, but RP has to decide what it wants to do. This is the second shot of Steve's that falls outside the usual bounds of RP, and maybe RP is expanding its range, I don't know.

This one is obviously unlevel, and obviously that is intentionally done for dramatic effect and it works for me. Nonetheless, one has to ask whether this is now acceptable practice for RP. I don't mind it being so; my only concern is that it places a greater burden of judgment and subjectivity on the screening.

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And then there is this shot, which I happen to like very much and which certainly is no problem as far as the technical rules of RP but one can certainly ask whether it is "railroady" enough for RP and whether RP is expanding its range in this dimension also.

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Overall, I'm glad to see Steve's stuff here and see it well received.
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This shot did get me thinking and curious enough to click on it for a closer look, but the bulb does say "locomotive cab" and has the GE symbol on it and is certainly technically sound. Guess it is just one of those pictures you either love or hate or, in a similar vein, either think that it has a place on RP or definitely not.
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the bulb does say "locomotive cab" and has the GE symbol on it
You are right about the text, but as for the symbol, I don't know what you see on that side of the pond, maybe a lot of Philips bulbs, but over here GE light bulbs are as common as grass.

Now, if it had been an EMD light bulb, that would be different!!!!!
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So if I take a picture of my work boots I wear on the RR does that mean I can submit them to RP.net?
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So if I take a picture of my work boots I wear on the RR does that mean I can submit them to RP.net?
Its RP's website so they can accept what they want, but...................if they let one abstract picture in then they can expect a lot of grief on the forum if they don't start accepting similar pictures from other people.

Personally, Steve's light bulb shot doesn't do anything for me and I wouldn't like to see a flood of similar compositions.
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Its RP's website so they can accept what they want, but...................if they let one abstract picture in then they can expect a lot of grief on the forum if they don't start accepting similar pictures from other people.

Personally, Steve's light bulb shot doesn't do anything for me and I wouldn't like to see a flood of similar compositions.

I couldn't agree more Steve.
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Well, not in general, but RP has to decide what it wants to do. This is the second shot of Steve's that falls outside the usual bounds of RP, and maybe RP is expanding its range, I don't know.

This one is obviously unlevel, and obviously that is intentionally done for dramatic effect and it works for me. Nonetheless, one has to ask whether this is now acceptable practice for RP.
Flipping an image using software is distorting reality and makes a mockery of one of RP's cardinal rules, even if the flipped image is of a reflection.

Now don't get me wrong, I like that image, once we'd all figured it out, but screeners, you will need to rewrite the rules to validate the decision on letting it in.

The unlevel shot opens an even bigger can of worms. When is an unlevel shot, unlevel for artistic reasons ? There have been numerous threads on this forum regarding shots being rejected for unlevel horizon because they looked 'odd' even when everyone here agreed they were actually level, so where do you draw the line (or levelling grid in this case ) ??
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Flipping an image using software is distorting reality and makes a mockery of one of RP's cardinal rules, even if the flipped image is of a reflection.
I was thinking the same thing. I edited a shot (took out a pole) and was told that was bad. The shot has no chance in hell of making it into the DB but how do you tell someone that there cannot be any manipulation of the photo, but yet that is acceptable. Quite honestly it does not matter to me as it is not my site but you are creating a double standard IMO.
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