Old 01-26-2010, 01:19 PM   #1
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Amtrak Police and station personel are not letting visitors(non-ticketed passengars) near the trains at most stations. I found out the hard way over the weekend during my once a year major railfanning expedition. I started out at my hometown in kissimmee and headed north to Folkston and then back over the span of 4 days.
Just last year, I had no problem at all being on Amtrak property both at Jacksonville and the Sanford Auto-train stations. At the Jacksonville station, I usually camp near the south end of the station platform with a good view of the trains leaving Moncrief going north. It took less than 30 seconds after I passed through the waiting room and out the door when a station employee came running after me and chased me out. He told me that nobody is allowed on the platform until the train pulls into the station, and then you must have a ticket to be on the platform...PERIOD! I didnt challenge him at all, I just said, "Sorry sir, I didnt know" He then recognized me and his mood backed down a bit. "You come by here once in a while, right?" and I just replied yes. He calmly mentioned that the rules have changed here in JAX, no longer railfan friendly no matter who you are. All passengars must wait in the waiting room, the conductor will meet ticketed passengars in the waiting room where the conductor will then check your ticket and send you out to board the train.
Same goes for Sanford Auto train station, but my visit became alot worse. Its been a few years since I visited the autotrain station in Sanford, and I left Folkston early enough to where I would be in Sanford around 3pm, just in time to catch the switching action and departure from the station. When I first pulled in, I told the employee at the check in booth I was just here to do some railfanning and he let me through and instructed me where to park as usual, no biggie. I was excited to be there cause it has been a couple years, I know some of the station train crews that work at Sanford, and If im early enough, they let me ride in the engine as they are putting the train together. I scoped out the switch engine for a second and didnt recognize the engineer, so no cabride today. I did know the conductor but I couldnt get his attention. I then walked away and started heading to check out the 2 P42's at the north end of the station as usual. Now, get this. I walked passed 5 station employees, 1 Seminole county sherriff officer(he was just hanging out watching the trains to, LOL), the engineer taking P052 north, and a station clerk. NONE of them said a word to me, and trust me, I didnt look like a passengar. Big scoped camera, a motorola handheld 2-way railroad radio, and no carry-on or luggage. I walked right passed the P-42's, onto the gravel and sat down on a tree stump. Perfect view of the engines, I even got wave and a pose from the engineer as he was boarding the engine and I had my camera on him the whole time. A few minutes later, a voice came over the PA system, "Would the owner of the black mustang please report back to your vehicle at once!" That would be me, and I was thinking, "whats up now?!?" Anyway, I went back to my car, nobody was there so I headed into the station waiting area, but before I even got close, an Amtrak Police officer and that Seminole county sherriff officer came walking out and both headed right for me. The amtrak officer asked me what I was doing here. I was polite and I just said that I was watching. Watching? he asked me. And I said, "Yes, watching, railfanning." He drilled me with question after question and then my radio started going nuts and the sherriff looked at my radio which I had layed down it down on top of a trash can cover so I could get my ID out for the Amtrak officer. He asked me what kind of radio it is, and I told him its a motorola csx radio that I bought on ebay 2 years ago. That statement got the Amtrak officer's attention EXTREMELY FAST!!!!! "How did you get that!?!? I said on Ebay, for $50 dollars. He asked, "Does it transmit?" I said, yes, I beleive so but I dont use it, I just like the fact that its range distance is great, and I can hear more chatter than a scanner can. The Amtrak officer asked me if I realized that I just broke a few laws and I can be arrested right here, right now for having it in my possesion. I said to him, Sir, honestly, I didnt think anything of it. I bought the radio, it needed some things replaced on it in order for it to work, like the antenna because it was torn and about ready to break off, and the battery was bad, so I bought a charger, new antenna and a new battery as well from the same guy that sold the radio to me on ebay. Long story short, no harm, no foul, he took the radio from me, called the CSX police, took down all my info, banned me from the station unless I have a ticket to travel on Amtrak and he said that goes for all your railfan buddies so spread the word, 0 tolerance. So all and all I lost the radio, $200 bucks I invested on getting it to work just so I can hear the trains better, and my pride.
So, to everyone, if your railfan plans include the JAX and Sanford Amtrak stations, take them off your list, they dont want us railfans there at all....unless you pay to be there....
I'll miss it alot.

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He asked me what kind of radio it is, and I told him its a motorola csx radio...
And there was your mistake. Why would you even admit to having a railroad radio?

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And there was your mistake. Why would you even admit to having a railroad radio?

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Im not going to lie in a police officers face. Thats the last thing I would do. He already saw it on my belt before I took it off. I made it clear to him that I dont transmit messages out at all. He beleived me but it is what it is as he said. I have no problem with losing it, I wasnt up to any criminal activity. its just better than a hand-held scanner because of its range, and I told him that straight out.
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Really sorry to hear about all of that, but two bits of advice I'd give you for the future.

1) If you see a police officer where you are going to railfan (there when you arrive), walk up to him and tell him what you are doing there. I have done this in the past and it's always ended up in a "Don't trespass, don't walk past that line, take your pictures," type response. Now, it may not. You may end up with a, "You can't take pictures here," response, which will result in you having to write a letter to his department asking for clarification, but if he's already there and you start taking shots with him in range of you without telling him what you're doing (no matter what the law is) it just isn't likely to go that well.

2) When I'm around LEOs I just turn my scanner/radio off. Even if I'm in a location where it's 100% legal, I know they'll find it intrusive.

Both of these are just words to the wise, honestly. Neither is based in law at all, and in fact I'm sure others will respond vehemently that I'm telling you to act with less than your rights... but sometimes the best thing to do is to put yourself in the other person's shoes for a moment and then react to them how you think that they would be most comfortable with a person like you in your situation.

Again... really sorry to hear that you went through all of that. I do understand how much it sucks.
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Freericks, I've run into LEO's before. I was railfanning at Taft Yard just south of Downtown Orlando and I kept going back and forth between 2 spots, 1 to see the switching and a second spot to catch an intermodal train that comes off the main at the center of taft yard. I came back down from the "intermodal spot" and noticed a person come out of his SUV in a suit and tie just looking around by the main. It was a CSX officer, and someone tipped off that I was there. Forgot to mention, there is an old road that terminates right at that switch that the intermodal trains use to enter the yard. Anyway, I jumped back into my car and raced down there to talk him and I interduced myself to him. He said someone saw me there and called. He was ok with me being there and he was just doing his job. I even whipped out my modelrailroad club ID and showed it to him. He thanked me for coming down and telling him I was there. He then gave me his card, told me if I ever see something that doesnt look right to please call him. We shaked hands, he said he loves having you railfans out here, railfans are loyal to the host railroad and we dont mess with things.
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I certainly hope you intend to write a few letters regarding this matter. From what I can tell, this incident occurred in the parking lot, a public area where you had the right to be. As for the radio, only the ACT of transmitting is illegal - if you transmitted over it in front of the cop, then it'd be a whole 'nother story. Did this radio have CSX markings on it? If so, then it could very well have been stolen and sold on eBay, which you obviously had no way of knowing. Either way, I'd write a few letters...one to the Amtrak police, another to the CSX police, and perhaps the Sheriff's agency to see what became of the radio. Unfortunately, railfans are indeed not allowed in the station areas as per the new rules, so there is little you can do here (even if the cop was a prick).

Should the radio be indeed stolen and you won't get it back, there are other options. An amateur radio in the VHF band along with a Ham radio license (very easy to acquire) is virtually bullet-proof, in that no LEO can take it away from you simply for listening in to the railroad (and if they do, they're likely in the wrong and could face disciplinary measures themselves). I'm guessing the radio was a run-of-the-mill Motorola MT-1000 - they're plentiful on eBay and there are plenty of places that can program them for you (they can also be programmed so that they will not transmit).

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I certainly hope you intend to write a few letters regarding this matter. From what I can tell, this incident occurred in the parking lot, a public area where you had the right to be. As for the radio, only the ACT of transmitting is illegal - if you transmitted over it in front of the cop, then it'd be a whole 'nother story. Did this radio have CSX markings on it? If so, then it could very well have been stolen and sold on eBay, which you obviously had no way of knowing. Either way, I'd write a few letters...one to the Amtrak police, another to the CSX police, and perhaps the Sheriff's agency to see what became of the radio. Unfortunately, railfans are indeed not allowed in the station areas as per the new rules, so there is little you can do here (even if the cop was a prick).

Should the radio be indeed stolen and you won't get it back, there are other options. An amateur radio in the VHF band along with a Ham radio license (very easy to acquire) is virtually bullet-proof, in that no LEO can take it away from you simply for listening in to the railroad (and if they do, they're likely in the wrong and could face disciplinary measures themselves). I'm guessing the radio was a run-of-the-mill Motorola MT-1000 - they're plentiful on eBay and there are plenty of places that can program them for you (they can also be programmed so that they will not transmit).
It was a Motorola P110 Radius with the CSX logo and serial number. It was rather old and didnt work at the time like I stated before. He had some accessories for it on the side which I paid him for as well.(battery, spare antennas, and new universal type chargers.
I was at a greenburg train show and the guy had some radios along with a printed out sign of the Ebay Logo. He said I can pay here as long as I pay the reserve and its mine, otherwise go log in to ebay and place your bid. It didnt seem fishy at first because alot of car dealers do that when they need to move sales along. The car is on ebay but if you come by the dealership and buy the in person, they just remove the listing on ebay. I have bought cars like that. It probably was stolen, the cop even said that and he also said its common. I already contacted Amtrak and waiting for a reply.

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I certainly hope you intend to write a few letters regarding this matter. From what I can tell, this incident occurred in the parking lot, a public area where you had the right to be. As for the radio, only the ACT of transmitting is illegal - if you transmitted over it in front of the cop, then it'd be a whole 'nother story. Did this radio have CSX markings on it? If so, then it could very well have been stolen and sold on eBay, which you obviously had no way of knowing. Either way, I'd write a few letters...one to the Amtrak police, another to the CSX police, and perhaps the Sheriff's agency to see what became of the radio. Unfortunately, railfans are indeed not allowed in the station areas as per the new rules, so there is little you can do here (even if the cop was a prick).

Should the radio be indeed stolen and you won't get it back, there are other options. An amateur radio in the VHF band along with a Ham radio license (very easy to acquire) is virtually bullet-proof, in that no LEO can take it away from you simply for listening in to the railroad (and if they do, they're likely in the wrong and could face disciplinary measures themselves). I'm guessing the radio was a run-of-the-mill Motorola MT-1000 - they're plentiful on eBay and there are plenty of places that can program them for you (they can also be programmed so that they will not transmit).
Totally inaccurate. You cannot posess a two way radio that is capable of AAR frequency transmit without an FCC license. To the OP, the cops had EVERY right to confiscate your radio.
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Totally inaccurate. You cannot posess a two way radio that is capable of AAR frequency transmit without an FCC license. To the OP, the cops had EVERY right to confiscate your radio.
Sorry, TRF, but what you state is inaccurate. Two-way radios capable of transmitting on the AAR band can be legally purchased by anyone; before I got my ham ticket, I purchased a two-way from a reputable online dealer and was not asked to provide a call sign. It is the actual act of transmitting in the band without authorization (e.g., being a railroad employee) is illegal.
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Sorry, TRF, but what you state is inaccurate. Two-way radios capable of transmitting on the AAR band can be legally purchased by anyone; before I got my ham ticket, I purchased a two-way from a reputable online dealer and was not asked to provide a call sign. It is the actual act of transmitting in the band without authorization (e.g., being a railroad employee) is illegal.
If it is not programmed with RR channels like when you bought it or at least not able to transmit on them if they are in for the purpose of railfanning, it is then not capable. My FD radio is "capable" in your terms if I program it to be.

Bottom line: If you railfan with a "radio", cut the tongue out of it like I did in my "play" radio. Then it is not capable.
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Sorry, TRF, but what you state is inaccurate. Two-way radios capable of transmitting on the AAR band can be legally purchased by anyone; before I got my ham ticket, I purchased a two-way from a reputable online dealer and was not asked to provide a call sign. It is the actual act of transmitting in the band without authorization (e.g., being a railroad employee) is illegal.
I see what you are saying David! I will re-phrase, nobody ( reputable ) will sell you a pre-programmed railroad radio without an FCC license, that is illegal. Was your radio pre-programmed with other than Citizen or Ham frequencies? Here is the next question, why would you want one and risk it? Trust me, to a railroader you will not look "cool" or trusted. Just buy a scanner and be done with it! With that all said, the cops still had every right to confiscate the OP's radio!!

P.S. Have you ever smoked weed? Yeah, but... I didn't inhale... Yeah, okay.... Pretty much same theory with the radio here folks!

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Perhaps it varies from state to state?
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Railfanning? Cool? In the eys of most of my friends, railfanning *might* be just above stamp collecting on their "Coolness factor" ratio. I've actually never heard anyone use the term railfan and cool in the same sentence when not talking about the weather.

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First, I want to apologize about last night's post. I was inappropriate in placing it, and my only excuse is an "unclear" head

Now, for my logical response on the subject:

If you purchase a VHF radio, it is capable of being programmed to transmit on any frequency within it's specs. RR, Fed. Gov't, or anything else may fall in those parameters.

Is it illegal? It is not illegal to possess a radio with the capability of transmitting. The offense occurs when you squeeze the button. Just like it is not illegal to go to the retailer of one's choice and purchase drain cleaner, cold medicine, and matches out the wazzoo. You will raise a flag, but the offense occurs when you take those items and manufacture it in to meth. Or, in Pennsylvania it is illegal to detonate certain fireworks without the proper license. However, it is NOT illegal for us to go to Ohio and purchase them and bring them back-just don't light the fuse.

Kevin's response was in the right direction. Why anyone would have a radio for railfanning with the ability to transmit is beyond me. We already get enough flack from the uninformed, why add to it? He was also right in his reputable dealer post. A "dealer" will not program a radio to transmit for you unless you have the paperwork to prove that you have permission to talk on each frequency. We established that Scott didn't buy the radio from a dealer.

Thanks to sites like Ebay and Craig's list, anyone can buy a radio, programming software, and a cable and program anything they want into a radio. I have the stuff to do most older Kenwood radios. Am I an authorized, licensed Kenwood dealer? No comment. Ebay does seem to be cracking down on the software department, but I suspect it is more for the pirating over every Tom, Dick, and Harry programming things into radios that they have no right to use.

Scott,

IF in fact you were not transmitting with your radio, you may have a valid reason to fight to get your radio back. Although you were technically trespassing, so I don't know how that may fall under the committing a crime with the radio on your person. I would contact either or both the local Amtrak police and I think you said Sheriff's Dept. and explain the situation to them better and try to get your radio back. If you get it back, take it directly to you local Motorola dealer and toss them the $40 to make it unable to transmit.
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...and my only excuse is an "unclear" head
Hate when that happens.

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EMT, how was I trespassing? I asked the attendant in the check-in booth if I was allowed to watch the action and I was told yes, and I parked my car where she pointed me to park it. I went right to the platform and sat down on the bench as close as I could before the sign "Amtrak employees only"....
I dont beleive I was trespassing.
And as for an update and what I've done so far...
I emailed amtrak on the customer service portion of their website asking for the policy on railfanning at Amtrak stations and havnt received a response as of yet.
Also, the Amtrak Officer turned over the radio to CSX and after speaking with CSX, the radio will not be returned. Their reports show it was reported lost by a CSXT employee and now shows it recovered. So...im out of luck. Happy F****** railfanning..... I can detect from the tone of the CSX guys voice.
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EMT, how was I trespassing? I asked the attendant in the check-in booth if I was allowed to watch the action and I was told yes, and I parked my car where she pointed me to park it. I went right to the platform and sat down on the bench as close as I could before the sign "Amtrak employees only"....
I dont beleive I was trespassing.
And as for an update and what I've done so far...
I emailed amtrak on the customer service portion of their website asking for the policy on railfanning at Amtrak stations and havnt received a response as of yet.
Also, the Amtrak Officer turned over the radio to CSX and after speaking with CSX, the radio will not be returned. Their reports show it was reported lost by a CSXT employee and now shows it recovered. So...im out of luck. Happy F****** railfanning..... I can detect from the tone of the CSX guys voice.
Even though you asked the attendant, Amtrak passed a policy about a year ago that only ticketed passengers are to be on the platform (there is a thread on here somewhere about it). Hence, you were trespassing. The attendant was also at fault for granting you access. It happens all of the time, whether like in your instance, or a friend sneaking you in the cab for a ride along down the branch for the day. Those instances are very appreciated on our part, but technicalities are technicalities. It would be like you telling one of your friends that they can borrow your dad's car. You gave him permission, but it's not your car to say so.
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Wow, sorry heard about your stories, Scott. And, there been grab your radio scanner that was horrible. But, did they grab your camera too, Scott?

I really hate that happened

Hope you get another new radio scanners..

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No, they were just focused on the point that a had a CSX radio in my possession. It just sucks that after all these years of visiting, learning, enjoying, etc... the american railroading system, OUR rights as an american our slowly being taken away from us. Us railfans, I beleive is what keeps this industry for the most part, turning. I read a survey back many years ago that found that 62% of Amtrak customers are railfans. I used to take both the Silver Meteor and the Star up and down the east coast just because I enjoyed the ride. I put my own car on the autotrain 8 times, just for the ride. I traveled the Sunset Limited from Orlando to Los Angeles twice, just because I enjoyed the ride. And now, I cant sit at a station and watch Amtrak do its thing because some A**HOLE wants to blow us up. So, I guess, Im probably been labeled as a terrorist in Amtrak's eyes just because I bought some fools possibly stolen CSX radio just so I can hear the trains alot better to make the most out of railfanning. I HAVE always wanted to work as an engineer since I was a kid, but I know I cant pass the physical to be hired. So, I live my life as a diehard railfan, soaking in as much as I can and getting as close as I can to live my dream. Thank you Bin Laden for ruining everyones hobby and dream.
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Thank you Bin Laden for ruining everyones hobby and dream.
Thank you American politicians and American citizens for falling for Bin Laden's indirect attack on American freedoms.

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You started off your last message stating the officer was solely focused on you having a CSX radio in your possession. What I don't see is how you connect that with being labeled a terrorist? When did anyone label you a terrorist? Let's get real, Osama bin Laden has very little if anything to do with this. Simply because you have rode an Amtrak train once or 300 times doesn't give you a right to stand on the platform and listen to a radio which is not yours to own.
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First, I want to apologize about last night's post. I was inappropriate in placing it, and my only excuse is an "unclear" head

Now, for my logical response on the subject:

If you purchase a VHF radio, it is capable of being programmed to transmit on any frequency within it's specs. RR, Fed. Gov't, or anything else may fall in those parameters.

Is it illegal? It is not illegal to possess a radio with the capability of transmitting. The offense occurs when you squeeze the button. Just like it is not illegal to go to the retailer of one's choice and purchase drain cleaner, cold medicine, and matches out the wazzoo. You will raise a flag, but the offense occurs when you take those items and manufacture it in to meth. Or, in Pennsylvania it is illegal to detonate certain fireworks without the proper license. However, it is NOT illegal for us to go to Ohio and purchase them and bring them back-just don't light the fuse.

Kevin's response was in the right direction. Why anyone would have a radio for railfanning with the ability to transmit is beyond me. We already get enough flack from the uninformed, why add to it? He was also right in his reputable dealer post. A "dealer" will not program a radio to transmit for you unless you have the paperwork to prove that you have permission to talk on each frequency. We established that Scott didn't buy the radio from a dealer.

Thanks to sites like Ebay and Craig's list, anyone can buy a radio, programming software, and a cable and program anything they want into a radio. I have the stuff to do most older Kenwood radios. Am I an authorized, licensed Kenwood dealer? No comment. Ebay does seem to be cracking down on the software department, but I suspect it is more for the pirating over every Tom, Dick, and Harry programming things into radios that they have no right to use.

Scott,

IF in fact you were not transmitting with your radio, you may have a valid reason to fight to get your radio back. Although you were technically trespassing, so I don't know how that may fall under the committing a crime with the radio on your person. I would contact either or both the local Amtrak police and I think you said Sheriff's Dept. and explain the situation to them better and try to get your radio back. If you get it back, take it directly to you local Motorola dealer and toss them the $40 to make it unable to transmit.
Thank you. First off Chase, I was not apologizing for being wrong, because I am not wrong on needing FCC paperwork to purchase an AAR transmitting radio and the double wammy of actually using it. Second, I will revisit the "coolness" idea. Okay, you guys want better "gain", less interference and the such? BUY ONE THAT CANNOT TRANSMIT! Period. To the OP, regardless if you were trespassing or not, you purchased a STOLEN railroad radio, you could not tell that the situation was kinda shady? Shame on you then..... Third, if I offended anyone, I'm sorry but, I just don't see the point in owning one, really.
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Third, if I offended anyone, I'm sorry but, I just don't see the point in owning one, really.
I'm confused. You don't see the point in owning one, yet I expressed a valid reason as to why one may wish to own one and you commented below..

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I will revisit the "coolness" idea. Okay, you guys want better "gain", less interference and the such? BUY ONE THAT CANNOT TRANSMIT! Period.
As far as buying a receive only radio, or in other words, a scanner, there is no problem with that, BUT, if one is looking to expand their coverage, a HAM radio (capable of transmitting over HAM channels) is definitely a wise investment. So in other words, the only way to gain coverage is to buy a transmit capable radio. I still don't see a problem in owning a radio that can transmit over the AAR channels, as long as you do not transmit. If you do infact end up transmitting, then that is a whole different story. I still highly recommend locking the TX feature if you don't have a license, as it only takes one time to transmit when the wrong person is watching/listening.

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