Old 01-30-2008, 12:25 AM   #1
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Hi everyone,
i wanted to ask for some advice on getting these shots accepted (or if arnt good enough to be accepted) as i think that alot of my recent shots have been getting rejected for absurd or totally false reasons even after appealing
First is this shot which was rejected for backlighting even though just half the nose is in the shadow,is there a way too get half lit shots like these accepted, i have a similar one to this that got rejected a month or so earlier for the same reason
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1068641844
This one was rejected for too much noise though i can hardly see any at all
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=475822&key=0
i like the composition on this one but not sure what you guys think, opinions?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=475371&key=0
This one for oversharpening for the second time even after reducing the amount of sharpening, do you think its worth trying to resubmit after reducing the sharpening even more or should i just use a different shot? i shot multiple pics of that loco, i just like that one best.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1188041664
This shot is lacking in noselight but since its a side shot i dont think it matters all that much and i like the new look of the unit
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=887710864
this one got rejected for being similar to a previous pic ( i guess cause i didnt fill out the comments to screeners box) but i appealed saying what changes i had made and it was still rejected
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=809081082
original
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=373803529
thoughts and opinions welcome.
Thanks
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:43 AM   #2
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1: the shot doesn't have enough surroundings to make it much more than a nose portrait. Therefore, having half the hood not lit just doesn't cut it for RP. Also, the large dark area in the shadow of the engine detracts. You might want to crop the right side some - and add to the left side if you can. In general, the track machine background left is much more interesting than the weeds on the right.

2: I have no eye for noise/grain, sorry

3: you shoot the crossing pole/sign from an angle where you can't read the crossbucks, lessening its visual interest. Now it's not a crossing signal but just an ugly pole. Exaggeration, but that is the general point.

4: looks oversharpened to me
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5: this is a "roster shot," a simple shot of just an engine with nothing else of interest in the image. For RP such a shot has to be perfect. This one doesn't have enough nose light. No more need be said.

But in case more need be said... Side shots of common engines are a dime a dozen on RP. Sure this one looks nice, but it's still just a side shot of one of the hundreds (thousands?) of ES44DCs out there. RP wants such shots to be perfect, it's their website, their rules.

6,7: I like it in general. First rejected for composition/balance. My main criticism is there is too much dark expanse at the bottom. I'm not a big fan of it being hard to tell exactly what the structure is (without reading the caption), but I can let that ride.

Your resubmitted picture, hard to tell that anything was done other than BW conversion if one takes a quick look, which a screener may do. Given that the first rejection was not for color, I speculate that the screener's reaction was that you had not done anything to respond to the rejection. If one looks closely, one sees that you have adjusted perspective to get the roofline and rails horizontal.

I have no idea why the appeal was rejected, other than there may not be a way for the appeal to be anything other than yes/no, so if the screener saw some other reason for rejection, maybe they just said no.

I like the BW version, nice. Boy, there are a lot of nests in that tree in the background!

Hope this is useful, not sugarcoated, though.

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Old 01-30-2008, 01:38 AM   #4
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1068641844
The image is backlit or doesn't feature enough nose light on the subject... I don't have anything to add to that - half of the nose is in shadow. How do you get shots like that accepted? You can't - take the picture when the sun's in the right place.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=475822&key=0
Look at the numbers under the cab windows, and above and behind the "C" on the side of the hood - too "pixely." Asides from that, there's no light on the back of the locomotive, which is another reason for rejection. No way to fix this one.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=475371&key=0
The light's not very good, the top of the crossing is cut off, the train is too far away, and it's not a terribly interesting scene, I'm afraid. That shot would work a lot better when there are some leaves on the trees, and if you can get the light to be right behind you. I don't think you can fix this one.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1188041664
This isn't terrible, but, again, it'd be nice if there was more light on the nose. I'd also like to see a slightly different crop (move the locomotives up in the frame a little bit). It'd be nice if we could see the edge of the curve on the left and if that track hit the bottom right corner of the image.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=887710864
New unit or not, the lighting isn't good. It's not a very good angle either... I'd like to see an actual profile angle, or, since it's a roster shot, more of a 3/4 wedge (yes, I'm suggesting a wedge... ). Unfortunately, those aren't things you can fix in this image.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=809081082
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=373803529

The black and white version is better, but there are some really serious noise issues there - look at the sky in the black and white version - yikes! If you can correct that, it might have a shot... maybe.

Also, you need to start accepting the rejections for what they say... while everyone here is occasionally annoyed by a rejection, 95% of the time they're valid. Before appealing immediately, take a hard look at your shot... for example, the rejection for the first shot says "The image is backlit or doesn't feature enough nose light on the subject," look at your image and think to yourself, "oh, I see, the nose is only half lit - that's no good! I'll have to try that shot again with better light," instead of thinking, "those absurd screeners - that's a completely false and bogus rejection! [hit the appeal button]." Or, if that doesn't work, keep posting the rejections here and get some more in depth advice.

Also, what type of camera and software are you using? There's so much grain in some of those shots that one of the two needs some improving.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:28 PM   #5
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Ok thanks guys for your input,
Ottergoose: i use a cannon 4mp point and shoot (horrors of horrors! ) and photoshop so obviously my hardware end of things needs improvement, i hope by the end of this year i will be able to get a Cannon S5 or if im lucky a DLSR but right now doing the best i can with what i have.
pic1 : alright i guess i see your point, i was just hoping to get that one in as i liked the angle, i guess halflighting is only good for side shots.

pic2: Ottergoose: sorry still cant see the grain, behind the C there is a little streak of grime, and around the cab mabye the rust looks like grain?
as you can see theres quite a few little rust spots
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=220851&nseq=1 (how do you do that picture thumbnail thingy? )
i agree that the image is some what backlit, i was just hoping it was enough of a sideshot to get around that, the main thing thats bugging me is the reason for rejection.

pic3: alright i guess i just need to work on my composition skills lol, i though it was a interesting angle, ill try something a bit different next time.

pic4: yes i wish that i could see the edge of the curve but the original was pretty unlevel so in the process of levelling it got cut out, i must just be a unlevel person as most of my shots seem to need a good bit of leveling

pic5: ok i see your point JRMDC, i just always though that that engine looked really good since it was new, next time i guess i should go for a full side shot without the nose. Ottergoose: normally for a roster shot i would do a wedgie, but with those lighting conditions that would just make things worse.

Pic6: yes i agree with you Ottergoose on this one, the sky for some reason even before editing in ps had a fair bit of noise, i despeckled once but that didnt fully solve it. Do you think i should sharped the loco less or is it only the sky that needs noise reduction?

thanks for your advice
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:05 PM   #6
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alright i guess i see your point, i was just hoping to get that one in as i liked the angle, i guess halflighting is only good for side shots.

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pic5: ok i see your point JRMDC, i just always though that that engine looked really good since it was new, next time i guess i should go for a full side shot without the nose.
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