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What's bad about the area? It seems that's a pretty popular bridge to shoot. Does a photographer have to watch his back every time he goes on that bridge for a shot?


Jim, absolutely not. Protected sidewalk via metal barrier, nice and wide, and like I said police station is less than 100 yards from this location. The entrance/exit is right at the bridge and more often than not the police staff and sometimes police cars are parked under the bridge.

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:27 PM   #27
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Ben is right. Mckeesport is run down, but no more dangerous than other place in Steel Valley. The bridge is the main route through town so there is always traffic on it. As has already been said, you can literally see all the cruisers parked in the lot some of the shots posted on RP.

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:32 PM   #28
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Jim, absolutely not. Protected sidewalk via metal barrier, nice and wide, and like I said police station is less than 100 yards from this location.
The place I was at had a concrete barrier, needless to say it was nice to have something to lean my back against as I waited for amtrak.
People even walked past me, I just grabbed onto my tripod just in case and most just passed with a confused look as to what I was doing. Heck, even a few families asked what I was doing.

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:38 PM   #29
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So...how is it a bad area?
Actually, McKeesport does kinda look like a rough neighbor. According to the stats below, you are nearly four times as likely to be assaulted and twice as likely to get burglarized in McKeesport as in Pittsburgh (which I would call a fairly low crime city for its size)

Rest easy though, your chances of getting murdered or rape are about equal.

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Actually, McKeesport does kinda look like a rough neighbor. According to the stats below, you are nearly four times as likely to be assaulted and twice as likely to get burglarized in McKeesport as in Pittsburgh (which I would call a fairly low crime city for its size)

Rest easy though, your chances of getting murdered or rape are about equal.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime...nsylvania.html
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Hard to say if I ever want to leave the house after seeing that.
Though, I understand the reasoning behind it. Usually, most things that happens in Glassport is kept away from the media for whatever reason I cannot figure out.
I'm aware of the constant drug busts though, and some of the registered child offenders that live around here.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:11 AM   #31
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McKeesport gets a bad rap. Although, every few days or so, the headlines read "So and so shot dead at McKeesport" or "Drug bust in McKeesport". Brad and I never had an issue through the hours of the night getting this photo.

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It helps that the police station for McKeesport is less than 100 yards from the bridge. Not the friendliest or the deadliest place on the planet.

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I think that Chicago is about the deadliest place in the U.S. currently. Something like 5 people are murdered each day.
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I think that Chicago is about the deadliest place in the U.S. currently. Something like 5 people are murdered each day.
Yeah, McKeesport is like one every one-two weeks. The risk is the same everywhere really, unless you get into places like Chicago.
That's why I did not worry too much.
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I think that Chicago is about the deadliest place in the U.S. currently. Something like 5 people are murdered each day.
That stat is such a fallacy. If you've ever been to Chicago, you know it's a pretty safe city. It just happens to be that a part of the ghetto where a lot of these killings take place falls within the city limit...which is nowhere near downtown or the vast majority of the rest of the city where killings aren't a daily occurance.
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That stat is such a fallacy. If you've ever been to Chicago, you know it's a pretty safe city. It just happens to be that a part of the ghetto where a lot of these killings take place falls within the city limit...which is nowhere near downtown or the vast majority of the rest of the city where killings aren't a daily occurance.
What Jim said, but with occurrence spelled correctly.
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Damn auto correct on my phone didn't catch it. That's what I get for not using my computer.
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Yeah, McKeesport is like one every one-two weeks. The risk is the same everywhere really, unless you get into places like Chicago.
That's why I did not worry too much.
Or once every four months.... all you had to do was click on the provided link
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Or once every four months.... all you had to do was click on the provided link
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That stat is such a fallacy. If you've ever been to Chicago, you know it's a pretty safe city. It just happens to be that a part of the ghetto where a lot of these killings take place falls within the city limit...which is nowhere near downtown or the vast majority of the rest of the city where killings aren't a daily occurance.
The reason I mentioned it is because chances are, some of those areas are near where railroads run.
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The reason I mentioned it is because chances are, some of those areas are near where railroads run.
Its like any other city, you have to be aware of your surroundings, if you are a dumbass and go foam it up at Englewood at 3 AM you probably deserve to be shot.....
There are plenty of places to go that are perfectly safe even if you are getting around by public transit.
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Its like any other city, you have to be aware of your surroundings, if you are a dumbass and go foam it up at Englewood at 3 AM you probably deserve to be shot.....
There are plenty of places to go that are perfectly safe even if you are getting around by public transit.
Ralfanning in Watts isnt a good idea?
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Ralfanning in Watts isnt a good idea?
Actually, it's mostly fine - I'm there quite a bit. I would avoid right around when school lets out, but there are pretty much three trains you can count on and they are unlikely to be running at that time. If you are shooting the Blue Line on the other hand, that is all day.

I wouldn't hang out there at night.

The Torrance and the Elsie are easy catches in the morning. The Rock Train is probably going to go through in the afternoon. If you're getting the Watts shot on any of these, you're pretty much in and out quickly and the area around the station is busy.

Like I said, except just after school lets out and you have a bunch of rowdy kids looking to show off (which is frankly trouble in any neighborhood, anywhere if you're a dork standing alone with a camera waiting on trains) Watts and the rest of South Central isn't so bad.

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It's just so scenic. I love how the trash gives some color to the boring ballast..



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It's just so scenic. I love how the trash gives some color to the boring ballast..



Railfanning in South Central will not be on my bucket list.

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Yea, if I wanted to go take pictures of graffitti'ed up alleys and trash strewn right of ways, I could do that here. We certainly have our version of Watts / Compton here, and the ex-ACL main goes right through it, in fact the twice daily Amtrak turns on a wye and backs into the station, so a visitor to Tampa's first introduction to the city is the train pulling off the main, which in itself is in a run down coridoor with graffitti'ed up warehouses and crumbling former pieces of industry, onto an industrial spur right next to a school building that is mostly fallen over and crumbling into itself in the middle of a ghetto neighborhood. The train comes to a stop while the conductor stands in an open door of the last car and waits on a signal and the switch to line so they can back 3 miles into the station.
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It's amazing how much better this shot would be if the surroundings werent so unkempt
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Do I smell a gallery brewing? Most ghetto railfanning locations?
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Not your cup of tea, and that's cool. I hear you. I am not big on the gang tagging at all. Hate all of that.

What drives me to shoot down there however is that I didn't shoot this kind of stuff in New York and Hoboken/Jersey City when I was growing up and later on I felt bad about not recording it.

Moreover, I really enjoy recording what is - whether I like what is or not. My hobby, my intent is not always beauty (sure, I go for beauty sometimes, but let's be frank, I'm shooting a several thousand ton compelations of steel built purely on the methodology of form follows function - so beauty is an afterthought anyway).

In the end, I spend time at Cajon, and Gaviota, and Tehachappi, and frankly I probably enjoy that more.

But I dig this stuff too. I really do.

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That middle shot reminds me of "the desert"....excellent. If I railfanned any of the locations mentioned I would definitely be packing heat!
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