Old 10-13-2006, 01:56 AM   #26
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If everyone's wedge shots were as good as yours, there would be no more "Wedgie" bashing! You've got snow, you've got grain elevators, you've got a station sign, you've got nice clouds, you've got interesting foreground (tracks in the snow and shadows) and it's well composed! It's a good picture!
Hi Michael,

Thanks for the comments! As you have probably noticed, the wedge shot does seem to work quite well for me. Lately, though, I've tried to work a bit differently with them, for one thing converting to B&W:

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or standing at a more far away point from the tracks to get more foreground:

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But if I'm going to take just a standard 3/4 wedge, I like to try to get more of an "environment" in the image rather than just a rural crossing with a train, blue sky, and tracks, like you said, if it's possible:

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It's just that so much of the time, when WX conditions are favorable for a photo to be good enough quality for RP, I look for the sun to be at the point where it is shining on my side, on the nose, and is not too high. Because of this, so many times, a lot of pictures seem to be taking in identical conditions even though they can be on opposite coasts.

Here's a typical one, where I was just about to leave and hardly had any time, so I had to just use a typical crossing:

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It basically comes down to the fact that when taking 3/4 wedges, I have to work with what I have. If the sun is high, I have to counteract it by taking a face on approach:

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Overall though, it's fun to see what I can get with shots like these.

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Old 10-13-2006, 03:59 AM   #27
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Here is my most popular "wedgie".
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Old 10-13-2006, 06:31 AM   #28
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Hmmm...

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ok, with that out of my system......

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The first three are my best wedgies, the last three are the ones I wonder how I got in (actually, the BNSF was ok, but it's just a wedgie lol)
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Old 10-13-2006, 03:26 PM   #29
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I'm not 100% sure of what the criteria are for being a wedgie. I know the first one here is, I'm not sure about the last two...

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Old 10-13-2006, 06:12 PM   #30
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Nick,

Your first one may be a classic wedge shot, but it has people in it and a flag flying from the Amtrak unit, which makes it out of the ordinary. Nothing wrong with that. If it had just been a standard unit with passenger cars trailing back, it wouldn't be a bad shot, just nothing special. That's what the complaint about wedgies is, that so many of them are just ho hum.

The other two shots may be from the same trackside perspective, but you would hardly call them wedgies. They are very creative. Nice shots! Certainly no ho hum there!

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Old 10-13-2006, 06:34 PM   #31
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OK, there have been lots of interpretations of what a wedgie is. I suppose that it's difficult to not create a wedge shape when it comes to shooting trains.....So, instead of posting my most popular wedge, I am posting my most BORING wedge shots. I have about a dozen+ that apply, but here are my 3 worst...(it was a tough call, since I have so many)

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Old 10-13-2006, 11:03 PM   #32
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OK, there have been lots of interpretations of what a wedgie is. I suppose that it's difficult to not create a wedge shape when it comes to shooting trains.....So, instead of posting my most popular wedge, I am posting my most BORING wedge shots. I have about a dozen+ that apply, but here are my 3 worst...(it was a tough call, since I have so many)
Thanks for your honesty Chuck. Someone actually posted a wedgie that I would understand all the fuss is about.

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Old 10-13-2006, 11:13 PM   #33
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It makes sense to me, I thought it up, but I began to equate rail photos to the automobile. You have three standard vehicles: sedan, pick-up, and van. Likewise, there are the three standard photos: wedgie, artsy, and roster.

Take for instance this conversation of wedgies. There is the indisputable basic building block: a train, 3/4th angle, and perspective into the horizon. From the Focus to the Porsche, simplified, there is a chasis, 4 wheels and engine.

Now you can take Charles' last entry with "boring" wedgies as a Focus or Geo Metro or Dodge Colt. Basic, cheap and easy to produce. There are few (if any) bells-and-whistles. His photos get the job done of being photos. While they are suitable for publication or illustration, they would likely not command a king's ransom. His other wedge photos, have panache. They generate views, comments and are more likely to be sought out for inclusion in publication. Artistic wedgies take time, preparation or at least set-up and thought - but getting down to brass tacks, they are photos expanded upon from the basic wedgie. They are high performance, like a Porsche.

Everyone has tastes and preferences. But if RailPictures was a used car lot, they would have little supply and very few shoppers if all they had were Porsches.
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Old 10-13-2006, 11:21 PM   #34
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... and JR Hokkaido EMU?

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Old 10-14-2006, 12:31 AM   #35
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At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is the difference between a "wedgie" and a "telemash"? And where do you draw the line between the two?
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At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is the difference between a "wedgie" and a "telemash"? And where do you draw the line between the two?
Nah mate, you're not an idiot, infact it is quite a valid question.

I think that 'telemash' is created by using too much zoom. The cars/wagons look compressed and you cannot see much detail on the side of the train. The result is basically a front-on shot, much like your avatar. Anything more than about 135mm???

A three-quarter wedge shot is much more side on. You can see some front, but also side detail. These shots are created by taking a photo facing 10/11 O'Clock or 1/2 O'Clock.
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Jim,

Look at most of my stuff...it's telemashed (200mm). It's just the style I like. Of course, the 24-70mm f/2.8L has popped up on my want list recently...
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I would think this counts as a telemash. I like this shot because of the exhaust coming out and the building in the background.

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Old 10-14-2006, 02:57 PM   #39
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One of the interesting things to come out of this thread is that there really are some nice wedgies out there. Chuck's 3 boring shot post has three nice, well framed and well lit shots. I'd stick them into a slide show, I just wouldn't stick 120 of them into a slide show! And that's the whole point of the fuss over Wedgies. They are prefectly fine, it's just that when more than 50% of the shots on RP were "wedgies" it was getting boring. The mix seems to be changing now, so maybe we can all be happy, including the guys who really love their wedgies!

I like tele-mashes too, but once again, I wouldn't do an entire slide show of them. Mix 'em up. Think of railroad photography like pitching, there are one pitch pitchers and there are three pitch pitchers. In the long run, the guys with more types of pitches do better! Same with photos, learn how to shoot more than one style and your friends will stop yawning during your slide shows!

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Chuck's 3 boring shot post has three nice, well framed and well lit shots.
Thanks for the compliments Michael, though I wonder if the last two would be accepted these days, as I think the second suffers from "High Sun" (the trucks are shadowed, even the first shot is borderline) and the third may be rejected for "Cloudy Common Power", even though there is a very slight amount of light. These images may be proof that the site has tightened up their standards in the last couple of years. I guess the question is, should they tighten them up even more on wedges?

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Old 10-14-2006, 06:17 PM   #41
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They are prefectly fine, it's just that when more than 50% of the shots on RP were "wedgies" it was getting boring. The mix seems to be changing now, so maybe we can all be happy, including the guys who really love their wedgies!
Boring to the person who shoots a lot of them or sees lot of them, but to the average person it's still a good trian shot nonetheless.

It's kind of like a situation I'm dealing with with Webshots.com. I've recently become one of their Pro Photographers and a major portion of my shots they accept are not always what I would consider my absolute best work, but not my best work because I see thousands of RR photos a week. I brought this up with them. They said when you look the proshots as a whole and there not being 100's of trains photos, mine would stand out quite well to the average person or even the average railfan because it's not oversaturated.

Meaning I guess here we see so much we're basically oversaturating ourselves. I still have a hard time at times thinking my photos are anything great, but every week the comments on my photos all over the web give me a slight boost.

Food for thought since I think it relates to wedgies the same way. I love a nice wedgie shot, to me that's the way a train was meant to be shot, from the front looking down it.
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To folow up with Chuck and Dave, I'm certainly not in favor of banning wedgies, I'd rather see people become more discriminating themselves and start submitting only their best work instead of regurgitating everything they take onto the web. Edit your own work before posting it would be my advice.

If the current trend of quality submissions continues, this whole "wedgie" thing may become irrelevant anyway. If too many start showing up again, the screeners can always invoke the "similar shot" rejection. It's their site and they can put their thumb on the scales if need be!

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Think of railroad photography like pitching, there are one pitch pitchers and there are three pitch pitchers. In the long run, the guys with more types of pitches do better!
Tell that to Mariano Rivera. Split-finger fastball and that's it. You know it's coming, but yet the guy still sits 'em down. Same w/ Tim Wakefield. Knuckleball at 60MPH. Just because someone shoots one type of shot doesn't mean they're a bad photographer (or lazy or uncreative or lacking ambition...just in case those get brought up again)...
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Tell that to Mariano Rivera. Split-finger fastball and that's it. You know it's coming, but yet the guy still sits 'em down. Same w/ Tim Wakefield. Knuckleball at 60MPH.
Those guys are good (Wakefield is OK- Most knuckleballers are inconsistent) but neither are hall of famers. I'm thinking more of the Greg Maddux type pitchers. Plus, what if Rivera actually learned another pitch? He'd be devastating.

Yes, to each their own. If you're great at wedges or other certain things, go for it! But it would be an awful boring place if we had nothing but fastball pitchers!! I'd rather watch a true pitching "Artiste" than a lawnmower. Power is good, but it's one dimensional! (-sorry, myop)

Before this devolves into a baseball thread, I guess what we're trying to say is, we don't want RP.net to become a fastball only site! (Which it isn't)

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Just because someone shoots one type of shot doesn't mean they're a bad photographer (or lazy or uncreative or lacking ambition...just in case those get brought up again)...
That's quite true ...

I have found that the angles a photographer/videographer can shoot from are limited in an electrified area. Those wires, staunchions, and resistors really get in the way.
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Ween,

Mariano Rivera is great, but remember, he's a closer. He only pitches one inning!
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Tell that to Mariano Rivera. Split-finger fastball and that's it. You know it's coming, but yet the guy still sits 'em down. Same w/ Tim Wakefield. Knuckleball at 60MPH. Just because someone shoots one type of shot doesn't mean they're a bad photographer (or lazy or uncreative or lacking ambition...just in case those get brought up again)...

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Just because someone shoots one type of shot doesn't mean they're a bad photographer (or lazy or uncreative or lacking ambition...just in case those get brought up again)...
What it comes down to is who the photographer is. As was said before if thats what you are great at and are slowly perfecting than more than likely you will be seen as a good photographer. *wink*

Now, onto the part of my post that actually follows the original "question". My top 3 "wedgies" (as in views):
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I personally like to mix it up, but unlike many people, im not picky at all. Sure, I would like good sun, blue skies, a good engine all the time, but what it boils down to is whats available. And some of these artistic shots arent ALWAYS available. And if you think its a nice crisp shot, and interesting (no matter what shot it is) why not post it. I post what I would like people to see on railpictures, and what may not be the best shot, or a trailing shot is put into my rrpicturearchives album. I myself always go for the "great shot" rather than just settling for what is easiest. And if the sun is in your way, i just get creative and/or put it in B&W. Heres a few examples of shots that I make the best out of.





Anyway, onto what this is about, most popular wedgies.The last one is not my most popular, and im pretty sure i have a caboose shot higher than my 2nd shot, but these are my favorites.

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