Old 10-13-2010, 06:39 PM   #1
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Yesterday, the "Freak Show on Earth" as some of us call it traveled down to Augusta and I took this shot that was somewhat different and RP PEQed it.
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I thought it would be a more interesting factor that these weren't conductors, hobos (although they look like it), or your everyday passengers. These are Modern Day 'Carnies'.

Just wanted to get some opinions maybe?
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Old 10-13-2010, 06:55 PM   #2
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100% personal taste, but had they been wearing shirts, it would have been a more pleasing shot.

Aside from that though, they are carnies, not RR employees, which I think makes the image less appropriate for the site. That's not to say a shot of a passenger won't work, just that it has to be more clearly reliant on railroad equipment in the shot than this one is, where the railroad equipment is just there.

Keep in mind, that all of this is my pure personal opinion, and is the same opinion that would have kept some massively viewed images out of the database had it been followed, so you may not want to follow it either.
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100% personal taste, but had they been wearing shirts, it would have been a more pleasing shot..
I can understand where your coming from, but it's the equivalent of saying that a photo would have been more pleasing if a hobo had been wearing a suit and tie.

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Aside from that though, they are carnies, not RR employees, which I think makes the image less appropriate for the site. That's not to say a shot of a passenger won't work, just that it has to be more clearly reliant on railroad equipment in the shot than this one is, where the railroad equipment is just there.
This guy wasn't a railroad employee:

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And I had left the Reporting Marks of the Coach they were on to indicate that it was on railroad equipment.

But, I understand this is coming from personal opinion! Thanks!
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Perhaps RP gave it the PEQ because of the scene? Maybe they don't want that type of material published. It'd be sure to get a ton of views, but perhaps it attracts negative attention to the site or shines a bad light on James E. Strates? Just my opinion.

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100% personal taste, but had they been wearing shirts, it would have been a more pleasing shot.
It's just accurately representing modern day society, Charles.

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Just wanted to get some opinions maybe?
Can you try a wider crop so you can see more of the train? it's kinda hard to tell what they are hanging out of, especially with that pink amusement ride thing, which I'm wondering if that's on a flat car or something
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Perhaps RP gave it the PEQ because of the scene? Maybe they don't want that type of material published. It'd be sure to get a ton of views, but perhaps it attracts negative attention to the site or shines a bad light on James E. Strates? Just my opinion.Chase
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How can one beer be negative attention to the site? It's not like they're smoking weed or crack, or shooting up heorin. I know of a certain photo on parent site, JetPhotos.Net where there's a topless female in the shot. Is that not negative attention? Also on the Strates Website, under the Employment Section, it does state that they are a drug free environment, but nothing about alcohol being prohibited. Actually all that is stated is, "Employees are required to report to work in appropriate mental and physical condition to perform their jobs in a satisfactory manner." And with that said, they are not operating and were more than 24 hours away from operating anything. Therefore they were not breaking any sort of rules or laws that would shine anymore bad light on JES than JES has attracted to themselves.

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How can one beer be negative attention to the site? It's not like they're smoking weed or crack, or shooting up heorin. I know of a certain photo on parent site, JetPhotos.Net where there's a topless female in the shot. Is that not negative attention? Also on the Strates Website, under the Employment Section, it does state that they are a drug free environment, but nothing about alcohol being prohibited. Actually all that is stated is, "Employees are required to report to work in appropriate mental and physical condition to perform their jobs in a satisfactory manner." And with that said, they are not operating and were more than 24 hours away from operating anything. Therefore they were not breaking any sort of rules or laws that would shine anymore bad light on JES than JES has attracted to themselves.
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I think it's a great human interest shot. To me, it's much more interesting than a lot of the conductor/random people at station shots on RP.
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No its just Ant responding to a largely nonsensical comment.....
If RP was concerned about the image of other companies there wouldnt be any derailment shots on here now would there? Oh yeah and we shouldnt be shooting pictures of engines in faded paint, or bad track, yeah that could be some real bad PR there.
Only think I wish was that there was some of the trucks showing, but eh its a unique shot as is.
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It's hard to tell if these are carnies or hobo's catching a ride
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Even though the Strates web site says what you stated, I think it is the "use" of the Bud by "employees" in your photo vs. a retired Rail chilling on his balcony railfanning.
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Wouldn't be any different than a pic of you off-duty in you CSX uniform throwing a cold one back on RP. You're not working, but...

As far as the topless girl at JP, there are more than just that one, lol.
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Anthony,

Sorry bud (No pun intended), it's just not really appealing. Not really pleasant either. The PEQ is justified.

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It's a shot of two old white guys shirtless, one is smoking and the other is holding a beer. One is wearing flip flops. Can't tell if the train is moving, but I guess it is. I think it's just not what they're willing to publish. I had thougt about uploading this shot when the RB*BB train came through, but decided not to.

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No its just Ant responding to a largely nonsensical comment.....
If RP was concerned about the image of other companies there wouldnt be any derailment shots on here now would there? Oh yeah and we shouldnt be shooting pictures of engines in faded paint, or bad track, yeah that could be some real bad PR there.
Only think I wish was that there was some of the trucks showing, but eh its a unique shot as is.
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Derailments, bad track, and faded paint are all "railroad oriented" and that is obviously part of the primary subjects on RP.

I feel that Anthony's shot doesn't offer a railroad subject, but instead, a subject that reflects negative on the company of JES and the people involved. Still a form of railroad photojournalism, I guess..

Sort of like the RRPA "ass shots" posted on here a few months ago that oddly enough, received awards.

And unique, eh, I think more along the lines of "last second grab shot".

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This one wasnt really appealing either.................
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This dude isnt too appealing either, and could cast Metrolink in a bad light, plus he is not a railroad employee.
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Derailments, bad track, and faded paint are all "railroad oriented" and that is obviously part of the primary subjects on RP.

I feel that Anthony's shot doesn't offer a railroad subject, but instead, a subject that reflects negative on the company of JES and the people involved. Still a form of railroad photojournalism, I guess..

Sort of like the RRPA "ass shots" posted on here a few months ago that oddly enough, received awards.

And unique, eh, I think more along the lines of "last second grab shot".

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Chase, My Friend, Why does it seem to me that everybody's shot to you is a "last second grab shot" and if you noticed my original post stated that I was going for something like the examples given then you would've known that it was a pre-planned, thought out shot. It just so happened that they wanted their photo taken anyways.

And if JES was so concerned about being looked at in a negative way then they wouldn't hire 99.9% of the clowns that are on the train.

AND YES, I'm positive that if this shot had gotten on it would've gotten a good amount of views...so obviously it would be appealing somewhere, somehow...

And the Ringworm shot....remember that? How was that appealing?

I'm not going to sit here and bitch & moan about this shot anymore because obiviously this shot isn't going to get on.

But, I'm just stating the facts to back the shot up....
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Or Maybe I should have asked where the Bearded Lady was so I could have included her in the shot as well...I'm sure that would be even more appealing!
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Chase, My Friend, Why does it seem to me that everybody's shot to you is a "last second grab shot" and if you noticed my original post stated that I was going for something like the examples given then you would've known that it was a pre-planned, thought out shot. It just so happened that they wanted their photo taken anyways.

And if JES was so concerned about being looked at in a negative way then they wouldn't hire 99.9% of the clowns that are on the train.

AND YES, I'm positive that if this shot had gotten on it would've gotten a good amount of views...so obviously it would be appealing somewhere, somehow...

And the Ringworm shot....remember that? How was that appealing?

I'm not going to sit here and bitch & moan about this shot anymore because obiviously this shot isn't going to get on.

But, I'm just stating the facts to back the shot up....
Anthony,

I understand it was planned, but to others, and possibly the RP team, it may appear as a "grab" shot. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just throwing out possible ideas to better understand the PEQ.

I don't think the photo would necessarily appeal to viewers, but instead, make them curious as to what the heck is going on. Shirtless men enjoying a Budweiser wouldn't stand out as an appealing photo as much as a "what the heck" kind the photo.

I definitely think you did a good job (in terms of capturing the scene, composition, crop, etc. are all good), I just don't think it's an RP winner. Of course, I'm just expressing my opinion, which is quite possibly 100% wrong.

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Or Maybe I should have asked where the Bearded Lady was so I could have included her in the shot as well...I'm sure that would be even more appealing!
I think your statement: "Freak Show on Earth" is what scared them.

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I would agree with this. In your image it is hard to tell if that is a RR car or what.

I like the shirtless, toothless look, but you need to make it real obvious that they are on the train.

Also for this Site the train needs to be the main subject - generally.

Just for some background, here are some other shots that I like from Fullerton that I did not submit to RP.Net.

No train, no track, no life.
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Too little train - see the car number over Rob's right shoulder?
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Cloudy day and common power. I really wish this one were better cause I think I could get it in.
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And here are a few PEQ rejects.

This one should get in cause it is set up just like the others - but they just don't like that lady I guess, or perhaps the way she is holding the telephone receiver is "too suggestive.".
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This was booted I assume because it shows subject engaging in potentially hazardous behavior - sitting on railroad tracks.
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This one was booted I suppose because chicks in athletic shoes and prairie dresses are not sexy enough for RP.Net - apparently you need more skin showing and/or a canoe.
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So see, not everything gets in, but this did!

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This one was booted I suppose because chicks in athletic shoes and prairie dresses are not sexy enough for RP.Net - apparently you need more skin showing and/or a canoe.
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-The Metrolink girl: is there more of her?
-The Amtrak/railfan kids: other than the fact of going away, lighting, and "subject cut off/cropping", I would like it.
-The Amish/Mennonite photo is a nice photo. Railroady enough, I don't know. Maybe a sign with the station name on it or more train in the B/G would help on that end.
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My take. It isn't how the guys look or lack of shirts or even the Bud, it is a combination of things. It looks like they are on a ship. The comment field is nice but the photo should speak for itself a little better. The composition blows. The other issue is that they are kinda taunting the camera and putting on a show that just isn't very appealing.

Amtrak equipment is well known so tight crops work much better.

Photographing people in less then appealing ways on RP can make it into the database if a train is somewhat captured well and goes with the scene.

A wider crop or better angle and composition with guys not putting on a show for you would work much better.

It does look like a grab shot because the angle and composition are very weak.
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Let's just let every shot onto RP, because everyone derserves it!

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