Old 12-27-2012, 07:09 AM   #1
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Default Does this photo really derserve a PEQ ?

Team, does this really derserve a PEQ ?

I was more expecting the photo to be rejected for bad cropping or for being soft (engine) rather than for PEQ. Your opinion, suggestions will be very much appreciated.

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Old 12-27-2012, 08:39 AM   #2
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While my opinion won't change much, I love the shot. A shot that tells a story, hard to find much of that on RP. Good work!
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:16 PM   #3
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Well, I'll second Mr. Dickson, I like it as well. Very interesting. I suspect it would be on the front page in short order, if it were accepted.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:53 PM   #4
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Why waste such an awesome photo on RP? Send it to National Geographic, or something.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:47 PM   #5
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I like it, too. I'd consider an appeal and in the comments section put something along the lines, "I think the picture tells an interesting story and should be reconsidered." This is a case where maybe -- maybe -- there are reasons to reject the shot (foreground clutter/obstructions, shadows) but the asthetic reasons to accept the shot (and consider a Screeners Choice on top of that) far outweight any posible reason to reject it.

It's a shame they rejected it out of hand.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:22 PM   #6
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Many thanks to all of you guys for your encouraging comments. I will try to appeal by adding the comment as suggested by Joe. May be another Screener will be more accommodating and accept the photo to the database.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:25 PM   #7
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I think they were crazy to reject this image. It is such a well composed image with great use of light, color, and framing. The people a far more interesting than the train. The train adds to the story.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:20 PM   #8
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PS, Daniel, I've been enjoying your series from Eritrea - I must confess I did not even know where that was and had to go look it up...great trains and great pictures.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:27 PM   #9
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Very nice shot, hope it appears somewhere.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:20 PM   #10
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I will echo everyone's comments. I like it.

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Old 12-27-2012, 11:30 PM   #11
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They may not want it because of the branches in front of the locomotive. The composition is fine for what you had to work with but you can't really do anything with the branches, so maybe hence the PEQ.........Or I could be completely off.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:07 AM   #12
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Please allow me to also agree--this is a helluva great shot. I have no idea what the screener was thinking to reject it for "PEQ." That's a terrible injustice.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:34 AM   #13
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Sigh - I tell it like I see it, even IF it happens to be in agreement of admin, lol.

To the screener's credit - there are obvious issues that interfere with perfection here - branches obscuring not only the cab and nose of the engine (the last being an RP "no-no"), but you might also say it's a "going away shot" in that the people - obviously the main focus as the engine is out of focus - they are with their backs turned.

So - better then many? Yes. Intriguing? Yes. Great concept? Yes. Execution /luck - well, I call this the "Ferrari with the scratch" or the "Birthday cake with a misspelled name". So close but like a pan, if I may, anything short of near perfection is just way off. I think I may have rejected as well though I certainly would accept an appeal and as an original screener, knowing and appreciating Daniel's contributions, I likely would've explained with more detail my issu... concerns.

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Old 12-28-2012, 06:00 AM   #14
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So a locomotive must be in focus and unobstructed or the heads of people in the shot must be facing the camera in order to make it acceptable? Sorry Mitch, normally I have the greatest respect for your opinions but this time I just ain't buyin' it! Should this have been rejected for the same reasons?
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In the context of the image itself, is what the workers are looking at any more important than what the Eritrean woman and her kids are? No, not to me. And heck, a lot of times the backs of people's heads are easier on the eyes than the fronts anyways! I'm going with the crowd this time and I think Mathieu stated it the most eloquently!
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Interesting comparison - my main thought was that by making the locomotive soft (great idea), it made the people in the image the primary subject but in my own opinion, they do not carry the weight to make the image work - mostly because, not only are their backs turned, but they appear to be not even looking in the direction of the locomotive.

With EL ROCO's shot, both subjects seem to equally share the stage vrs a primary and secondary and there seems a better connection between each - a relation.

Still - like I stated, I'd likely accept on request, perhaps not off the bat.

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Old 12-28-2012, 06:56 AM   #16
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Wink Wow, nice picture.

As someone who takes a lot of people and trains shots, "in my opinion," the OP's image has the following deficiencies for RP:

(1) The people are not RR related (not even foamers).

(2) The train is obstructed by the brush.

(3) Not only is the train not the main element of the image, but the RR nexus here is used merely as a background.

Much like this photo which I am sure would be rejected:

James Stewart, Qui-Gon Jinn and a Train at Hill 582  [Mayan Apocalypse Study 2012]

I like the photo, but for RP (based on my rejections) there needs to be a stronger RR nexus to the main subject of the image which here, is the lady and the kid (hint, main subject is usually the object, or objects in focus).

In my MOW photo referenced above, the whole seen is RR related, so while I am flattered that people are looking at it, it is not really the right example to contrast the OP's photo against.

And one more just for craps (shits) and giggles.

James Stewart and Qui-Gon Jinn Pose with a Spent 20 Gauge Shell in the Mojave

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End of story! The appeal has been rejected.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:19 AM   #18
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End of story! The appeal has been rejected.
They're still wrong not to accept it. I bet they rejected the appeal without any comment, too.
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Sorry....but I buy absolutely nothing you said, Mitch. An image either makes an instant positive--or negative impact on me. This shot is a winner.

RP did this guy a terrible injustice. If I were him, I would take the shot to another venue---one that pays money and appreciates fine photography.
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I gotta agree with them. The people are facing away and the train has branches in front of it. Perhaps they don't what is special about a family looking at a train, regardless of what country it is in. That being said, would I have accepted it? Yes. But I'm trying to think in terms of RP here.
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End of story! The appeal has been rejected.
Still, that does not make it a bad photo.

RP is but a very small slice of the pie of life, seems many forget that.
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