Old 12-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #1
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Requesting help if it is possible to improve the photo rejected for bad color and contrast. Auto-contrast seems to be the right direction. But not sure about color.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:45 PM   #2
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I would venture a guess at more contrast. And it has a red tint to it as far as color goes. Slightly too much saturation? I would perhaps suggest removing some of the blue sky above the fog bank as well to avoid a possible bad cropping. Some dead space up there.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:54 PM   #3
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Needs more contrast.

"Bad Cropping" is next... this would work better in landscape format.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:23 PM   #4
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Yes why the vertical crop, the horizontal one on your flikr page looks alot better
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6359854...3/in/contacts/
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I would venture a guess at more contrast. And it has a red tint to it as far as color goes. Slightly too much saturation? I would perhaps suggest removing some of the blue sky above the fog bank as well to avoid a possible bad cropping. Some dead space up there.
Thank you. Adding some contrast with USM 15/50/0 and reducing some red tint in re-submission. I have read many methods about adding contrast on this forum from simply sliding contrast slider to Grumpy's world PP tutorials to USM. Would like to know which one is to be used in such situations.
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why the vertical crop, the horizontal one on your flikr page looks alot better
Earlier, I submitted horizontal but got PIQ. For horizontal, I have to crop out almost all the interesting blue sky. So I thought, dull fog could be the reason for PIQ and hence submitted vertical.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:14 PM   #6
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Unfortunately, the extent to which a sky is interesting is subjective and others may not agree with you! In this case I do not, I suspect a screener also would not based on what I observe of RP's ways.

As for contrast, there is no one right tool/way, that is why so many variants are available, and different images need different adjustments, and different people will make different choices.

Loosely speaking, a USM 15/50, also called local contrast enhancement (LCE), is much different, at least in intent, than a basic contrast adjustment. I think of a basic contrast adjustment as spreading or narrowing the histogram, it is a global adjustment. LCE, while applied across the entire image, is "local" - it deals with the relationship between smaller pieces of the image. For that matter, regular USM, sharpening, is just an ultra-local contrast enhancement; edges are made to appear "sharper" by brightening the lighter side of the edge and darkening the darker side of the edge.

This is my understanding; corrections/elaborations most welcome!
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As expected, received bad cropping. I think I won't re-submit again. But opinions on contrast fixing are most welcome. I have learned(and still learning) many things in post processing from this forum.
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Im guessing the horizontal version was cropped down from the vertical? This scene should have been shot horizontally in the first place, nothing to fill the top of the frame. The contrast also looks better on the flikr version.
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Which version was rejected for bad cropping? Horizontal or vertical.
The one from your Flickr page looks fine as far as cropping goes but maybe just a little off the right and left sides if that's the one that got dinged.

The original horizontal version PIQ could have come from the sky. Looks like there are some lines going across.
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Which version was rejected for bad cropping? Horizontal or vertical.
The vertical version(Link in the starting this post) was given BC after adding contrast.
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Yes, that vertical had way too much sky which got you that bad cropping.

I think (as others have thought as well) that horizontal is the way to go here.
Start over and add some contrast, watch the red tint/color and crop similar to the Flickr shot and give that a go.
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