Old 09-20-2007, 09:17 PM   #1
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Default Rejected shot....help with taking a picture.

I has this photo rejected and am curious as to how I could set the camera to minimize the headlight effect in late evening.

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Old 09-21-2007, 12:11 AM   #2
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Did you have to adjust the brightness or exposure much during your post processing?
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:06 AM   #3
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Looking at the exif data I see that you were running at 1/200 of a second and also ISO 800. To make it not so bright you should lower your ISO to around 200 or 400 (that late of day) and meter off of that, using a slightly faster shutter speed than 1/200. Using Photoshop I was able to fix the photo so it isn't so bright by adjusting the highlights tool, levels tool, curves tool, and also the brightness and contrast tool.

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Old 09-21-2007, 11:45 AM   #4
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[quote=alexramos] Using Photoshop I was able to fix the photo

Now if you can just eliminate that distracting overpass in the background, it would be a good shot.
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Using Photoshop I was able to fix the photo

Now if you can just eliminate that distracting overpass in the background, it would be a good shot.
What exactly is distracting about the overpass in the shot to you?


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Old 09-21-2007, 03:22 PM   #6
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[quote=Joe the Photog]

What exactly is distracting about the overpass in the shot to you?


I like the shot but IMO, I first look at nose and then my eye moves to the car passing on the overpass. It's a nice catch but the overpass just kinda kills it for me.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:32 PM   #7
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I was curious because I always find it interesting what people do and donm't like in photographs. I don't mind the overpass at all, but I'm sure there are things I don't like that would make people shake their heads. Something else I don't mind are power lines and power poles, of course, depending on how they are placed in the shot.


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Old 09-21-2007, 04:21 PM   #8
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I don't mind the overpass so much, but the two vehicles placed neatly either side of the loco are rather distracting.

The only thing that I can suggest regarding the headlights is to try and shoot at more of a side angle. Looking at the lineside in this location it might not be possible, but the headlights are rather overbearing at such a head-on angle.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:27 PM   #9
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Dang...that's a cool shot no matter what.
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I'm sure there are things I don't like that would make people shake their heads.
To each his own I guess, I like "artsy" shot's (sunsets, b&w backlit, etc.) but most people don't. Oh well it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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then my eye moves to the car passing on the overpass. It's a nice catch but the overpass just kinda kills it for me.
Geez, up here, anything in the background other than sky is okay in my book. I gladly welcome overpasses whenever I'm out:

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[quote=Joe the Photog]
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What exactly is distracting about the overpass in the shot to you?


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The overpass.
(it blends into the train - not as bad when further back - but I've never been a fan of random overpasses and powerlines).

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Old 09-22-2007, 01:07 PM   #13
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The two above shots that Chris posted with overpasses I like. The first with the train being most of the foreground and the overpass in the background with an interesting grain truck. Second pic, nice crisp run-by with a very interesting colored overpass in the background. Oh and the "railfan" bird to the left, lol. I guess in the rejected pic, the overpass is to close to the train with the minivan right on top.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:36 AM   #14
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Thanks for the replies. I didn't do a whole lot to this photo in photoshop. I usually sharpen and do the auto adjusts. We caught wind that this engine was coming into town and I only had a couple of places to get the shot. As for exposure, I have been trying to learn what all to do. I was trying to be able to get a rather crisp shot on this train. He was only going about 10 mph.

I appreciate you guys checking it out!

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Old 09-25-2007, 11:32 AM   #15
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I don't think overpass shots are that bad. If the screeners reject it for being distracting, just appeal it.

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Looking at the exif data I see that you were running at 1/200 of a second and also ISO 800. To make it not so bright you should lower your ISO to around 200 or 400 (that late of day) and meter off of that, using a slightly faster shutter speed than 1/200.
Actually, if he's at 800 ISO, he WILL be able to get a faster shutter speed than if he were to lower the ISO to around 200 or 400. If he lowers it to 400, his shutter speed to achieve the same exposure then becomes 1/100. At 200 ISO, it then becomes 1/50 and not only does the headlight blowout even more, the image also suffers from motion blur.

To minimize a headlight blowing out, you must get a faster shutter speed. In order to do that in low light, you've got to be up in the 800-1600 ISO range or even more. Unfortunately, that introduces more noise, but it's a trade off if you REALLY want that shot. The only other suggestion would be to change the angle of the shot and get out of the direct view of the headlights. I've had plenty of low light shots without blowing out the headlights too much simply by changing my angle in relation to the train.
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I like shots with overpasses too, I thought this one was really nice but hasn't proved popular! I was hoping to get something interesting crossing the overpass, I was really hoping for a UPS truck but the bus was a nice surprise.
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I fiddled for 15 seconds or so and here is what i came up with.

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I like overpasses, too. FUD!



(that's a couple months old...haven't submitted that one to RP...yet)
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That's funny that there is only rust on the bridge where the tracks are.
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That's funny that there is only rust on the bridge where the tracks are.
Interesting. Heat coming off the engines, making the paint go bad earlier (but are the radiators ever on top)? Maybe bits of coal blowing off the tops of hoppers and hitting the surface, over years doing a bit of wear and tear?
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Interesting. Heat coming off the engines, making the paint go bad earlier (but are the radiators ever on top)? Maybe bits of coal blowing off the tops of hoppers and hitting the surface, over years doing a bit of wear and tear?
Definitely from the exhaust eating that paint away.
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Definitely from the exhaust eating that paint away.
No way. It looks to me that the rusty spot never was repainted due to the sharp line defining the painted area. They couldn't set scafolding near the tracks, or get a boom truck in there or get clearance from the railroad or something like that.
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Interesting replies. At slower (train)speeds, I tend to let the camera work on auto. As things speed up I will either change the shutter speed or iso to get a faster shutter. Thanks for all the replies.

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No way. It looks to me that the rusty spot never was repainted due to the sharp line defining the painted area. They couldn't set scafolding near the tracks, or get a boom truck in there or get clearance from the railroad or something like that.
I see bridges stained and paint eaten away like that all the time from exhaust. That particular bridge has been in place since the early 70's. Thousands of trains have passed under it. I do also believe they paint those steel spans before they are fitted into place.

EDIT: Warren, after talking to someone who is somewhat "official," I'll side with you on this. The paint being eaten off over the years by the exhaust of thousands of trains just seemed likely to me.

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