Old 05-16-2017, 04:37 PM   #1
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Poor image quality. Not seeing how, as I've run this by a couple people prior to submitting (one is a regular contributor)...


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Worth appealing/re-editing, or just let it go?
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:53 PM   #2
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I don't see it either - perhaps the screener clicked the wrong rejection by mistake.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:14 PM   #3
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It's a really bad B&W conversion, maybe that's what they mean.

On top of that, it needs a lot more contrast, and it looks like you really leaned heavily on the shadows and highlights tool. Parts of the image are almost glowing...
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:17 PM   #4
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Overall, I think the shot is great! I do detect some noise or grain in the darker parts of the plume, but I may not have noticed it if I weren't looking for some reason that it got PIQ'ed. Part of me wonders if it might get PEQ just because it seems to be a little too "fine art" for RP. Maybe a little too much contrast. I like it though. Just trying ti guess what the screener may have been meaning
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:20 PM   #5
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Looks like Troy and are were typing at the same time and came up with pretty different opinions. Nothing wrong with that. A second look leads me to wonder if the bridge is dirty or if I'm seeing more grain. Grain and noise can be pulled out of an otherwise normal image by being too liberal with shadows and highlights
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Looks like Troy and are were typing at the same time and came up with pretty different opinions. Nothing wrong with that. A second look leads me to wonder if the bridge is dirty or if I'm seeing more grain. Grain and noise can be pulled out of an otherwise normal image by being too liberal with shadows and highlights
Joe, look at the trees... especially on the left side of the frame, how at the bottom they are almost like ghosts, then transform a little darker.

I think it's just a really bad B&W conversion coupled with really jacked shadows and highlights.

Overall also, with the exception of the locomotive, i'm seeing some pretty soft focus, i'm speculating that it's been run through noise reduction pretty heavily and that's partly to blame.

The bridge abuttments on the right and the foliage on the far side of the river, there's just no detail in it, washed out.
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It's a really bad B&W conversion, maybe that's what they mean.

On top of that, it needs a lot more contrast, and it looks like you really leaned heavily on the shadows and highlights tool. Parts of the image are almost glowing...
I waited because my take was pretty negative, but I think this is pretty inline with my thoughts. Some of the background detail is almost fading away and the dark parts of the bridge could use some noise reduction. Almost need to see the original but if the dark areas were underexposed they have to be brought up selectively.

I would say re edit but really being careful and watching changes through out. the image.

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Old 05-17-2017, 01:34 AM   #8
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I appreciate the advice. To facilitate further, here's a 4-square with both the original image (no processing whatsoever) as the top row, bottom row B&W conversion. Left is the submitted mage, right is the next frame (which I'm leaning towards for the next edit). The bottom right has taken your comments in to account. I backed off on the shadows/highlights and dehaze, bumped contrast up and blacks down slightly.


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Old 05-17-2017, 01:50 AM   #9
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Your new edit looks much closer to the type of image that fits in with RP.net. I think it's a great shot.
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Winner winner chicken dinner with the second frame:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/616875/

Thanks all for the advice!
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A lot of the issues I brought up are still present in your photograph... I think you more likely won screener roulette
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I think the accepted photo is superior to the original rejection. I'm not seeing the issues you are Troy.

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I think the accepted photo is superior to the original rejection. I'm not seeing the issues you are Troy.

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I agree. I think the newer edit is a great photo and I don't really see the issues that Troy is point out. Other people seem to like it as well - it has 22 favorites to 600 views. That's a fantastic ratio.
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The accepted version is improved
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Winner winner chicken dinner with the second frame:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/616875/

Thanks all for the advice!
Nice!


And I'd love to see what Kevin Madore could do to the original color version. His processing of trains in poor lighting is outstanding.
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And I'd love to see what Kevin Madore could do to the original color version.
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Nice!
And I'd love to see what Kevin Madore could do to the original color version. His processing of trains in poor lighting is outstanding.
I'd like to have a crack at it too, but I would need the raw version. The JPEG just wouldn't stand up to the aggressive processing that it would take to get the scene looking its best.

It is interesting that I did take that very same shot a few months ago, and it was also in yucky light. Here is what I came up with then:
Image © Kevin Madore
PhotoID: 602274
Photograph © Kevin Madore

Since then, it appears as if taking this shot in crappy weather has become rather popular. I saw this version just yesterday:
Image © Kevin Zuercher
PhotoID: 617462
Photograph © Kevin Zuercher

I find that one dark, and I think the shadows need to be opened some, but I think the image has some real possibilities if it were shot in raw. The vegetation really adds some color to what was, in my case, a rather drab shot. I'd like to see this scene in full sun, but I fear that the sun elevation would not be ideal when the azimuth is just right. It may be that cloudy is the way to go with this particular scene.
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Second one Kevin linked is pretty bad
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That second photo almost looks like an unprocessed raw file.
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It is interesting that I did take that very same shot a few months ago, and it was also in yucky light. Here is what I came up with then:
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Second one Kevin linked is pretty bad

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