Old 02-20-2006, 03:36 AM   #1
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Ok gang, this rejection has me baffled. Several different rejection reasons for the same photo. This is the first one http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=216038 "Bad Angle"

Same photo, with a slight contrast adjustment I forgot to make before submitting,
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=216031 "Unlevel Horizon"

As stated in the description, the train is hitting a steep grade and the engine looks unlevel, but if you look at the water, the photo is level.
Any suggestions? Ive also submitted this photo in color and it got "Bad Motive" I am assuming several different screeners are looking at the photo and all have different opinions on it.
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Old 02-20-2006, 04:22 AM   #2
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As stated in the description, the train is hitting a steep grade and the engine looks unlevel, but if you look at the water, the photo is level.
Perhaps you should try appealing the photo with that explanantion.
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Old 02-20-2006, 04:25 AM   #3
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Perhaps you should try appealing the photo with that explanantion.
I did earlier and no word back but it still didnt make it. Who knows at this point?
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Old 02-20-2006, 04:35 AM   #4
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You still might want to play around with the levels/contrast on either shot and see what you come up with. That's really about all I can see. That shot has been excellently composed, and surely beats the norm around here.

Now as far as the horizon unlevel/bad angle reasons, I'd really like to know what whoever screened these has been smoking and why he's not sharing. It's always good to see something that isn't the standard 3/4 wedgie shot that has overtaken the site. Besides, steam locomotives always look best from the side when you can actually see the moving parts. The reflection in the water also adds to it.

Horizon unlevel? Hardly. It's obvious that the train is starting up a steep grade, as evidenced by your comment. Take a look at the plastic water buffalo. It's straight up and down. Level the photo and not only do you lose the effect of the train climbing the grade, but the water buffalo will look like it's falling over and the pond will empty out. I guess the screeners have never seen a grade before.
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Perhaps you should show em your undulating trackage. Plus dash 9's don't blow dirty smoke when they climb grades.
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:15 AM   #7
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"I've got a fever, and the only cure is more cow bell"

Sorry, off topic, I couldn't help myself

Hehehehhe, Caleb's avatar is funny!
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Old 02-21-2006, 01:26 PM   #8
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Bart;

Just for kicks, you should "level" the engine up in this shot and see if it makes it. Everything else will be unlevel, of course, but it could be funny to see. (Then you'd use the rsubmitt to function to get one of these two versions in.)

Interesting to note that this is the third thread I've seen in two days started because steam locomotive shots did not make it in the database. All of the shots in question were side angle shots. The only two shots I got in of the #40 were 3/4 wedgie shots. Yet we're told time and time again that the screeners want to see something different here.

Hmm.


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Now as far as the horizon unlevel/bad angle reasons, I'd really like to know what whoever screened these has been smoking and why he's not sharing. It's always good to see something that isn't the standard 3/4 wedgie shot that has overtaken the site.
And some damned atrocious ones at that.

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Old 02-22-2006, 05:50 PM   #10
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In my opinion...
The animal(Water buffalo? What is that?) in the water is pretty distracting to me and seems to be competing with the train as the main subject.
The contrast appears quite flat as well. It definately looks like a digital image converted to grayscale and has a cold feel to it.
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It's obvious that the train is starting up a steep grade, as evidenced by your comment.

Level the photo and not only do you lose the effect of the train climbing the grade, but the water buffalo will look like it's falling over and the pond will empty out. I guess the screeners have never seen a grade before.
LMAO.."the pond will empty out"...it is clear this is really a 5+% grade and knowledge about more than just Class 1 mainlines would confirm that. This angle shows not only that it is a grade but also combines excellent composition with the reflection as well as a great subject..a steam engine I am completely "baffled" as well as why this got the horizon unlevel rejection because thats 100% FALSE. This shot should have been accepted hands down without question unlike the 100+ wedgies of mainline power today.
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Thanks guys, after several resubmits I have given up on this photo. Its something new everytime I reupload it so I am just gonna keep it for my collection. I hate wedge shots, and to truely capture a steam locomotive you MUST show the side rods in most cases. As for the contrast, I have submitted several versions with adjustments made, no luck. As for the buffalo, its not even the size of a truck on the tender, I dont know how it is competing with the train as the main subject. One final try, with the train level, for your entertainment http://www.railpictures.net/viewqueued.php?id=217115 or http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=217115 Thanks for the comments guys!
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Old 02-22-2006, 07:28 PM   #13
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Well, regardless of whether or not it got accepted here, its a great photo!
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Thanks guys, after several resubmits I have given up on this photo. Its something new everytime I reupload it so I am just gonna keep it for my collection.
That might just be the best thing to do. No sense uploading multiple times only to get the runaround. It's a great shot nonetheless. If it was a wedgie, I'm sure it would have no problem getting in.
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Every time you edit and save a JPEG, the quality will degrade. I believe that's why you're now getting the undersharpend/poor image quality rejection now. Before editing the image, you should save it as a tiff. After you're done editing, save the tiff as a JPEG for uploading to the web. If it's rejected, edit the tiff you saved to make the corrections and then upload it as a JPEG again. As I said in my earlier post, it is my opinion that the animal is distracting. We all see things differently...
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Got another interesting rejection, Im not complaining but found this one interesting. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=217649 Apparently the 4-6-0 has made a comeback 100 years later and is now considered common power! Thanks for all the comments folks!
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Got another interesting rejection, Im not complaining but found this one interesting. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=217649 Apparently the 4-6-0 has made a comeback 100 years later and is now considered common power! Thanks for all the comments folks!
I like this one...
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I like this one...
Evem though it doesn't follow the rule of thirds that everyone speaks of? Couldn't resist...

Bart, you've got some great stuff with Tweetsie. #12 must be the only locomotive in the United States that still looks sharp on an overcast day. It's just a shame about the only narrow gauge steam one can find here is the Durango & Silverton.

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Thanks everyone. #12 is probably one of the only steam locomotives in the US that sees service regularly that is painted with car quality paint, Disney also features similar quality paint. Some folks say it looks too fake, I disagree, it brings back an era in time that is LONG gone, when keeping a locomotive clean was a thing of pride and honor for its operators. As far as the angle, I just wanted to try something different. I think showing where a train is going is also a neat POV. It was a slightly overcast day and the train is in the woods but I think the photo is ok as far as lighting goes. As far as a 4-6-0 (circa 1917) getting a common power rejection, Im not even going to comment on it anymore.
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Evem though it doesn't follow the rule of thirds that everyone speaks of? Couldn't resist...
I forgot rules number one through four of railfan photography.
1. Shoot now, crop later.
2. Resubmit, the screeners are crazy.
3. Ignore all advice
4. Don't lift a finger to better yourself when you can just complain and ask others to tell you what to do in the forums. (Anybody ever heard of a photography book or Magazine? How about google ?)
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It's just a shame about the only narrow gauge steam one can find here is the Durango & Silverton.
Ahem! http://www.railpictures.net/showphot...%20Broad%20Top A personal favorite if anyone's noticed.
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RP just has a thing about needing to see the front of the engine or it is refused.
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RP just has a thing about needing to see the front of the engine or it is refused.
Yea, bad angle maybe but a common power rejection? Gimme a break!
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Keeping with the narrow gauge steam rejects...heres one that made me laugh...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=218217

I put in the comments to screener "I meant to get the people looking at #14..they are not foreground clutter". I know the screener most likely meant the cars blocking the tender; I hope. I clearly remember taking this photo to show how everyone just seemed to stop and watch her pull into the station and I thought I captured it well. Thought I also thought it would have more meaning than the 3/4 angles of the SD40-2s added today but I guess not. Just another reason to go back! Feel free to comment .
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