Old 11-16-2009, 08:13 PM   #1
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Default Nikon D90- Glare Issues

A friend of mine (also a RP contributor from time to time) is having some problems with his new Nikon D90. Regardless of the aperture, there still seems to be lens glare when doing night shots. He bought the Nikon D90 and the kit 18-105mm VR lens that comes with it.

The glare seems to be an issue when shooting towards a street light or a railroad signal. He was previously using a Nikon D40 and the D40 did not suffer from the same issues. Infact, he put the 18-55mm kit lens from the D40 onto the D90 and the lens glare wasn't visible.

He put the 18-105mm from the D90 onto the D40 and it suffered from distracting lens glare. It seems as so the 18-105mm might be the issue. Any complaints from this lens? Any suggestions?

I told him he should've bought a Canon, but he didn't listen.

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Old 11-16-2009, 08:22 PM   #2
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Is he using any sort of filter on the lens?
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:25 PM   #3
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This may help some, covers the issue. I assume he isnt using a filter?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...5&changemode=1
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:31 PM   #4
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The camera is not really the issue here, but rather, the glass on it. Lens flare can be an issue anytime you point the lens at a strong light source. In general, the more glass elements involved, the more likely the problem is to rear its ugly head. That may be one reason why your friend notices the problem more on the 18-105mm VR than on the 18-55mm. The lens with the longer focal range probably has more (and larger) elements. I also have a D90, although my "kit" lens is the 18-200mm VR. If anything, it probably has more issues with flare than your buddy's lens. I often slap my 18-55mm non-VR lens on a camera body for night work. It's a great little lens and has less distortion through most of its range than the longer zooms. It can still have flare problems, but I also notice it less than on the mega-zooms.

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  • If you must use a zoom, use one with the least number of internal elements.
  • Use the lens hood provided, even at night.
  • Take all filters off at night.
  • Avoid angles that involve shooting directly into a bright light source.
  • Borrow or rent a prime lens for a night shoot and see if that improves the situation. If so, invest in one for that application.
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No filter is being used.

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Old 11-16-2009, 08:35 PM   #6
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The camera is not really the issue here, but rather, the glass on it.

Suggestions:
  • Use the lens hood provided, even at night.
  • Take all filters off at night.
  • Avoid angles that involve shooting directly into a bright light source.
  • Borrow or rent a prime lens for a night shoot and see if that improves the situation. If so, invest in one for that application.
Lets face it Kevin, its the crappy Nikon j/k j/k
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The camera is not really the issue here, but rather, the glass on it. Lens flare can be an issue anytime you point the lens at a strong light source. In general, the more glass elements involved, the more likely the problem is to rear its ugly head. That may be one reason why your friend notices the problem more on the 18-105mm VR than on the 18-55mm. The lens with the longer focal range probably has more (and larger) elements. I also have a D90, although my "kit" lens is the 18-200mm VR. If anything, it probably has more issues with flare than your buddy's lens. I often slap my 18-55mm non-VR lens on a camera body for night work. It's a great little lens and has less distortion through most of its range than the longer zooms. It can still have flare problems, but I also notice it less than on the mega-zooms.

Suggestions:
  • If you must use a zoom, use one with the least number of internal elements.
  • Use the lens hood provided, even at night.
  • Take all filters off at night.
  • Avoid angles that involve shooting directly into a bright light source.
  • Borrow or rent a prime lens for a night shoot and see if that improves the situation. If so, invest in one for that application.
Some good points, Kevin! I overlooked the fact that telephoto lenses (with larger elements) sometimes increase your chances of having a photo that is containing some type of distracting glare. I generally will only use my 18-55mm at night, or occasionally my 10-22mm.

I'll pass your post along to him and see what he has to say.

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Old 11-16-2009, 09:17 PM   #8
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Lets face it Kevin, its the crappy Nikon j/k j/k
Hey, a good friend of ours, who shoots Canons, has told me on more than one occasion, that he wishes the next Canon body would come with a button that says: "Simulate Nikon".
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Hey, a good friend of ours, who shoots Canons, has told me on more than one occasion, that he wishes the next Canon body would come with a button that says: "Simulate Nikon".
Yeah, I was around we that "friend" was talking about this, he was clearly drunk, tired and disoriented. HAHAHA
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I also have a D90, although my "kit" lens is the 18-200mm VR.
Kevin, I believe "kit lens" referred the crappy, useless lens that came with the camera at purchase, not the lens he uses the most.

Eg. "My Canon 30D came with a 18-55mm kit lens, but I use my 24-105L as my main lens."

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Kevin, I believe "kit lens" referred the crappy, useless lens that came with the camera at purchase, not the lens he uses the most.

Eg. "My Canon 30D came with a 18-55mm kit lens, but I use my 24-105L as my main lens."

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Hi Chris,

I'm with ya. I used the term "kit" loosely because these days, some Nikons come with pretty expensive "kit" lenses with a decent range of reach. In the case of the D90, I never bought the 18-105mm VR "kit" lens. I just slapped my existing 18-200mm VR onto it and it's been on there most of the time since. So, by default, it's my "kit".

And even the lowly 18-55mm non-VR that came with the D40/40x series, while more cheaply built, has lower distortion throughout most of its range than the newer, longer range "kits". It's not a bad piece of glass at all and I use it frequently for night shoots. It does have lower flare tendencies, it is light and it is cheap to replace should I trip and fall in the dark.
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The camera is not really the issue here, but rather, the glass on it. Lens flare can be an issue anytime you point the lens at a strong light source. In general, the more glass elements involved, the more likely the problem is to rear its ugly head. That may be one reason why your friend notices the problem more on the 18-105mm VR than on the 18-55mm. The lens with the longer focal range probably has more (and larger) elements. I also have a D90, although my "kit" lens is the 18-200mm VR. If anything, it probably has more issues with flare than your buddy's lens. I often slap my 18-55mm non-VR lens on a camera body for night work. It's a great little lens and has less distortion through most of its range than the longer zooms. It can still have flare problems, but I also notice it less than on the mega-zooms.

Suggestions:
  • If you must use a zoom, use one with the least number of internal elements.
  • Use the lens hood provided, even at night.
  • Take all filters off at night.
  • Avoid angles that involve shooting directly into a bright light source.
  • Borrow or rent a prime lens for a night shoot and see if that improves the situation. If so, invest in one for that application.
I wonder if I'd have the same problem with the Canon 24-105L that I plan on purchasing in the next couple of months?

Just curious.

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I wonder if I'd have the same problem with the Canon 24-105L that I plan on purchasing in the next couple of months?

Just curious.

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I havent had any problems, some of the first 24-105L's produced had flaring but Canon quickly fixed the issue.
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I wasn't drunk! ; )

I have a theory which I haven't fully tested but preliminary results look positive.

Try shooting at a wider aperture. When you squint and look at a light source, you get stars and flares. If you shoot a street light at a very small aperture (numerically high) you get a star effect. Try shooting with a larger aperture (numerically low) and it may reduce the flare effect.

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Its not your camera body, its the lens, some lenses have more of an issue with flare than others. Specifically wider angle lenses seem to have more issues with flare. Try using a lens hood. I have a canon 17-40L that i have flare issues with sometimes if I dont use the hood.
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Its not your camera body, its the lens, some lenses have more of an issue with flare than others. Specifically wider angle lenses seem to have more issues with flare. Try using a lens hood. I have a canon 17-40L that i have flare issues with sometimes if I dont use the hood.
Just to clarify things, Troy. It's not a big deal at all, and pretty much pointless to mention, but it's not me that owns the Nikon camera.

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing anything Nikon around my neck.



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Just to clarify things, Troy. It's not a big deal at all, and pretty much pointless to mention, but it's not me that owns the Nikon camera.

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing anything Nikon around my neck.



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If I had the money Id use both Nikon and Cameras, Nikon has some sweet bodies and a couple lenses I really like, but I dont have the money so no need to worry about that.
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If I had the money Id use both Nikon and Cameras, Nikon has some sweet bodies and a couple lenses I really like, but I dont have the money so no need to worry about that.
If I could take that all-in-one, high quality 18-200mm Nikon lens and slap it on a Canon body, I'd be one happy camper.

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If I could take that all-in-one, high quality 18-200mm Nikon lens and slap it on a Canon body, I'd be one happy camper.

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They do make adapters Chris. I have seen a guy using a 5D with a Nikkor 14-24! Keep in mind that (I believe) you will lose AF and any type of body metering, for some that is an issue while others it is not.
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