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Yes, Nikos, really. Per RP's definition, that shot is backlit. If you take the backlit out of the equation and leave the Poor Ligting, maybe it will be easier to stomach.
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Were those screened in the same queue as yours? If not, you dont have a legitimate argument.

We all know how inconsistently applied the rules/criteria are applied here. And the database is full of examples.
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The first one was.
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Nikos, yours has the distinct presence of harsh mid-day summer light - we are only a month from the summer equinox. There will be better-lit shots taken at this site down the road and they will get in.
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Nikos, yours has the distinct presence of harsh mid-day summer light - we are only a month from the summer equinox. There will be better-lit shots taken at this site down the road and they will get in.
Thats absurd......it was taken after 6PM, sorry but check your eyes.
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My first reaction was that it was overexposed. Wonder if you would do better pulling down the highlights.

That being said, seeing how you are reacting to those who try to help, you may not want any.
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My first reaction was that it was overexposed. Wonder if you would do better pulling down the highlights.

That being said, seeing how you are reacting to those who try to help, you may not want any.
Saying its high sun at 6PM is not really help. You're right it may be overexposed, but thats not what it was rejected for so not sure how much good that would do.
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Saying its high sun at 6PM is not really help. You're right it may be overexposed, but thats not what it was rejected for so not sure how much good that would do.
I have experienced having it rejected for A, looking again and seeing the B was an issue (or the issue), fixing B and resubmitting - only to have it accepted.
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Saying its high sun at 6PM is not really help. You're right it may be overexposed, but thats not what it was rejected for so not sure how much good that would do.
"high sun" is a state of mind, so to speak.

What it really means is the light looks terrible, in this case you shot has the harsh nature of a mid-day shot, and the short shadows caused by a bad sun angle, which can be caused by high-sun or poorly-placed sun.

The actual time of day does not matter ...

The actual time of day does not matter ...

The actual time of day does not matter ...

The actual time of day does not matter ...

So get over your high horse. Or your childish attitude, whatever it is. It looks like high sun, harsh. That is your problem, the appearance, whatever the screeners, I, or others name it. It may indeed, as Charles suggests, be fixable. But that it needs fixing, rather than complaining, is not in question to anyone who has participated in this thread, as far as I can tell, with the exception of yourself.
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As for matching the rejection reason, I can think of any number of times where, in particular, the rejection is bad color but the problem turns out to be bad contrast. They said bad light. True, they did not say high sun. But you never want to give a screener a reason to reject your shot if you can help it, they will often jump on board.

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I can see how this rejection hurts since it's a good shot in so many ways. But it does seem overexposed or affected by the placement / angle of the sun. The other accepted shots you posted here, Nikos, do have lighting issues, but they are warmer and richer looking, which may have tipped the scales in their favor.

I would think it's worth taking the highlights down and resubmitting, though. Or waiting till the angle of the sun improves as JR indicated and reshooting.
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Nikos, if you knew the sun was at that angle in relation to the train, why didn't you get more directly in front of it? If you could have moved to your left you would have had direct nose light and still kept the skyline. Unless that wasn't possible...which in that case your next option would have been to zoom in a bit to catch it head on before it went into the curve.
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Its not high sun literally, figuratively or any other way. Short shadows are hardly an indicator of high sun whatever you may think the term means.

Either I got lucky screener fishing or they decided to accept it because I fixed a different issue than the original rejection, anyways thanks for the idea Charles.
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Its not high sun literally, figuratively or any other way.
Reason #47 to get rid of the High Sun and Backlit rejections and just call it Poor Lighting.

The shot still has a funky look to it. Can't put my finger on it.
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The shot still has a funky look to it. Can't put my finger on it.
Yea, it's still overexposed
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Yea, it's still overexposed
Still kinda backlit too. Dunno if you tried to pull shadows out to get yourself out of a backlit rejection or you increased overall exposure. Either way it worked, right?!

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Reason #47 to get rid of the High Sun and Backlit rejections and just call it Poor Lighting.
I agree. The rejection for his image is pretty inaccurate:

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First, the image is not backlit. In fact, the image is displaying one of the best sun angles for an entire scene.

Second, you can't get any better nose light than this.

Third, there are three visible "sides" of the subject: The nose, the top and the left side. Two of the three sides are lit as good as can be, and third side, which is visible the least, is shadowed. Thus, the two highly visible sides that are perfectly lit should trump that third side that has little emphasis on it.

That said, I agree that the exposure might be a little hot, but I also agree with Nikos that this is anything but high sun.
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I never said it was necessarily high sun and in fact went to great lengths to say it was the light that was the problem. The original has a harsh look, typical of high sun shots but not limited to them. I find it (perhaps too) easy to make the comparison to a high sun shot to make clear what characteristics of the shot are at issue. Others pointed out that it may have been and may continue to be overexposure that is the limiting problem, and yes that can result in a harsh looking appearance.

High sun is not a technical issue, there is no rule against shooting when the sun is at a certain angle. Rather, high sun is a common source of a particular quality of light which is ugly; the term is used because of the high degree of correlation between time of day/year and image quality. There are other sources, as here.
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Maybe one day RP will be cool enough to warrant updated and concise rejection reasons. Unfortunately, aircraft (and the people who photograph them) are paramount to trains.

I understood exactly what you meant J, if that's any consolation. Still, you should consider a yearly eye exam since you wear corrective lenses.

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I understood exactly what you meant J, if that's any consolation. Still, you should consider a yearly eye exam since you wear corrective lenses.

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Maybe, Lloyd, it is bad glasses, or dislexia, since I keep seeing your name here as LoydL. I just straighten it up in my mind.
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The rejection is not unique to the shot that started this thread.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...46&key=9465140

At first I had the same reaction as Nikos. Really?

I thought the light really couldn't get much better but the angle of the sun was right down the tracks so the viewable side was shadowed.
I too think it's screener roulette as there are shots accepted everyday with unlit/shadows on the visible sides or even the nose.

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