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Holloran Grade 05-28-2014 07:14 AM

OMG, He's on the Wrong Side!
 
Well, RP is still befuddled with dark side shots.

Reason(s) for Rejection: - Poor Lighting (High Sun): The angle of the sunlight is too high, a common problem in the summer months of year on mid-day shots.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/36722129@N06/14288855435" title="Morning at Pine Cove by El Roco Photography, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3798/14288855435_073bf3eb7a_c.jpg" width="800" height="580" alt="Morning at Pine Cove"></a>


See the plow and the trailing cars around the corner?

Not high sun, I just chose to stand on the dark side because it made a better picture and I was unconcerned about creating more cookie cutter media.


Ergo, nothing has changed.:twisted:

Now I think I will go back into hibernation.

JimThias 05-28-2014 12:47 PM

Of course it's not high sun. You're supposed to stop reading after "Poor lighting." ;-)

bigbassloyd 05-28-2014 01:05 PM

I'm befuddled as well. Does having the majority of the visible side of the train dark constitute artistry? :D

Looks like a poorly lit basic wedge to me. But again, I just take crappy train photos.

Loyd L.

Holloran Grade 05-28-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 179026)
Of course it's not high sun. You're supposed to stop reading after "Poor lighting." ;-)

As resident grammar nazi, you know that is not how the sentence is constructed.

The words contained in parenthesis clarifies the phrase before it.

Further, the description following the parenthetical clause removes any ambiguity as to what the author was referring to.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 179027)
..............Looks like a poorly lit basic wedge to me.

Yes, because when presented with the scene in the picture, you can only look at the train.

You completely miss the picture - it is much more than just a train.

This is due to your Pavlovian way of looking at the railroading world through a lens, brought to you by the folks at RP.

There is no understanding of the purposeful juxtaposition of light and dark, no comprehension of complex compositions, or artistic expression.

Only rigid standards that result in uniform compositions and that certain 3/4 look that people have come to know and expect.

Hence the reason why a great number of the images posted on any given day, all look alike.

Imagine what the world must have looked like before the cookie cutter images became the accepted way?

bigbassloyd 05-28-2014 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 179029)

Yes, because when presented with the scene in the picture, you can only look at the train.

You present a scene heavily biased towards the train (i.e a train and a signal), and expect someone to do what?



Quote:

You completely miss the picture - it is much more than just a train.
You could have fooled me with this example.

Quote:

This is due to your Pavlovian way of looking at the railroading world through a lens, brought to you by the folks at RP.
Quite the contrary. They rejected it didn't they?

Quote:

There is no understanding of the purposeful juxtaposition of light and dark, no comprehension of complex compositions, or artistic expression.
How dare they strip you of your artistic license to deliver us poorly lit, basic compositions under the guise of Art... :D

Quote:

Only rigid standards that result in uniform compositions and that certain 3/4 look that people have come to know and expect.
Like your shot, except with better lighting? ;)

Quote:

Hence the reason why a great number of the images posted on any given day, all look alike.
You've got me there.

Quote:

Imagine what the world must have looked like before the cookie cutter images became the accepted way?
So give them something quality that breaks the mold. Shooting standard stuff from the dark side doesn't cut it IMO. :)

Loyd L.

CSX1702 05-28-2014 04:49 PM

I'm getting the feeling Loyd's not a fan.

nikos1 05-28-2014 05:08 PM

Don't feed the troll

magicman_841 05-28-2014 05:25 PM

Seriously?

You're telling me this was the only good shot you could find on Cajon Pass with that light? Shooting around that corner in the background would have solved your sun problem. Worst case, just telemash the hell out it to minimize the straight-on light.

This isn't rocket science. Just work with the light you have.

Chris Z 05-28-2014 06:12 PM

The best way to nail that shot is to stand directly between the rails.

Chris Z

Holloran Grade 05-28-2014 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Z (Post 179037)
The best way to nail that shot is to stand directly between the rails.

Chris Z

LOL!

The best comment yet.


Quote:

Originally Posted by magicman_841 (Post 179036)
This isn't rocket science. Just work with the light you have.


Ya mean like this?

[photoid=426025]

MagnumForce 05-28-2014 07:14 PM

Using a horrible example to try to prove a point again.

It is a poorly lit 3/4 wedge, there is nothing more to it. Absolutely nothing out of the box or artistic about it.

Holloran Grade 05-28-2014 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179040)
It is a poorly lit 3/4 wedge,

According to what?

Or who?

Or why?

RP?

Who made them, or anyone else the authority on the rules of railroad photography?

(The answer is YOU did, not me.)



Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179040)
Absolutely nothing out of the box or artistic about it.

Really?

If that side had light, then why in your opinion why would it continue to be rejected?

WMHeilman 05-28-2014 08:48 PM

Why do you keep uploading stupid shitty shots?

Holloran Grade 05-28-2014 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMHeilman (Post 179045)
Why do you keep uploading stupid shitty shots?

Can you explain the basis for your belief that it is a "stupid shitty shot?"


And you realize that using the word "stupid" and "shitty" to describe the same noun in the same sentence is redundant and repetitive?

CSX1702 05-28-2014 10:55 PM

Well it was bound to happen.

MagnumForce 05-29-2014 01:29 AM

Who made the rules? Well it surely wasn't RP unless you are clueless about railroad photography as a whole and people like Lucius Beebe and Charles Clegg, or Jim Shaughnessy, Phil Hastings, Dick Steinheimer, Robert Hale, or Mel Patrick.

Those guys and more are the fathers of railroad photography. I would love to find Beebes "Sun at your back, Rods down, 3/4 wedge" quote as I know it's in Mixed Train Daily somewhere but don't want to read for an hour to prove a point.

The rules of good railroad photography existed long before RP came around.

As for your second question, no, it would not continue to be rejected because it is a properly lit 3/4 wedge. While not exciting, it does have a place in railroad photography, in fact it is a basic tenant of railroad photography but it must follow the rules. If it has something more, or adds some drama it is a rule that can be broken, but again your photo is not an example of any of this.

MagnumForce 05-29-2014 01:38 AM

Oh and just to bug you.

[photoid=406686]

CSX1702 05-29-2014 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179057)
Oh and just to bug you.

[photoid=406686]

Jeez, did you get black lung when that one went by?

MagnumForce 05-29-2014 05:24 AM

I knew what the train was that was coming, knew it was on one and knew that these coal trains from the Appalachian always have a ton of dust blowing off them.

Taking all that into account I decided to shoot it from the dark side to accentuate the dust and show it at all since shooting from the north side of one would have hemmed things in anyway.

It worked well, and I was hacking afterwards.

MagnumForce 05-29-2014 05:25 AM

[photoid=407320]

Another view from Wyatt a few miles west of where I was in town. That is amongst the dustiest one I have ever seen.

bigbassloyd 05-29-2014 02:33 PM

And it appears another lost soul has been freed from the damnation of a life on Railpictures. May your artistic vision return to a former glory that has to this point, been suppressed so harshly.

Loyd L.

Mberry 05-29-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 179072)
And it appears another lost soul has been freed from the damnation of a life on Railpictures. May your artistic vision return to a former glory that has to this point, been suppressed so harshly.

Loyd L.

And suddenly no one's posted anything in the last 8 hours!

Joe the Photog 05-30-2014 12:02 AM

It was a slow motion melt down, months in the making. I prefer the quick flame outs. HG couldn't even get that right.

MagnumForce 05-30-2014 12:34 AM

What did I miss?

MagnumForce 05-30-2014 12:35 AM

Oh he's banned, HA!

Hatchetman 05-30-2014 12:58 AM

Take a tour of some of Mel Patrick's photos and you might be surprised. Or not. I wasn't.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/raildudemel/

MagnumForce 05-30-2014 01:01 AM

Surprised about what? That he is a god?

He would not present a dark side 3/4 wedge as art unless it really was art.

JimThias 05-30-2014 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179057)
Oh and just to bug you.

[photoid=406686]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179071)
[photoid=407320]

I like how the yellow matches so well in both shots.

;-)

Mberry 05-30-2014 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 179081)
I like how the yellow matches so well in both shots.

;-)

Yeah, that happens:

My shot:
[photoid=469272]

Nicolas Houde's shot a minute later:
[photoid=469192]

MagnumForce 05-30-2014 02:55 AM

Nevermind, disregard

Ween 05-30-2014 03:35 AM

pwned:

[photoid=483109]

And not banned...

coborn35 05-31-2014 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179080)
Surprised about what? That he is a god?

He would not present a dark side 3/4 wedge as art unless it really was art.

You do realize all photographs are art...

MagnumForce 05-31-2014 06:20 PM

Sure they are...

troy12n 05-31-2014 10:09 PM

Been offline a couple days, why did they ban him?

Harry Gaydosz 06-01-2014 03:24 AM

I can't believe it took that long.

hoydie17 06-01-2014 04:04 AM

I don't subscribe to the belief that there are "rules" for railroad photography. Frankly, I've never heard something so asinine in my life.

There are "best practices" and "guidelines" but I have yet to come across a single person who says, "You MUST shoot this way, or else." Brent, I know what you mean, but it comes off sounding a little draconian. My biggest gripe with RP.net in its formative years was the seemingly rigid "standards" they set with very little wiggle room. Fortunately, as the years have gone on, the screeners have matured in their views to a certain extent and do look at photos with a bit more of an open mind than they did even 5 years ago. Is there room to grow? You betcha, but I've pretty much given up on them listening to my suggestions.

Just because a handful of guys made themselves an identity in railroad photography or art does not mean they wrote the bible that everyone has to abide by. "Art" in the case of railroad photography is a means of expression about how one sees a scene or a moment in time.

Unfortunately, many people have a very skewed sense of "expression" while others simply cannot bring themselves to see another person's photo the way the photographer did and that is what makes photography (and art) of any kind highly subjective.

I would wager that about 90% of the photos on RP.net are tremendously "un-exciting" and completely mundane. Many of the photos I see on RP.net barely evoke a yawn in most cases. Once in a while though, you see that picture that you think, "Damn, that's pretty badass, wish I'd have thought of that."

Strangely enough, it's the photos that pushed the envelope and in most cases went completely against the so-called "rules" that are among the best photos out there. If you're following rules, you're a conformist, not an artist.

MagnumForce 06-01-2014 07:25 PM

I think we have shown with the last few photos posted that rules are meant to be broken, but when you are shooting nothing more than a basic wedge shot which is what started this, then the rules matter a whole lot.

But this wedge shots should not be allowed that so many people profess because it gives a sameness to most shots needs to stop. There is a place in railroad photography, albeit an unexciting one, for a basic, well composed, light at your back 3/4 wedge.

hoydie17 06-01-2014 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnumForce (Post 179181)
I think we have shown with the last few photos posted that rules are meant to be broken, but when you are shooting nothing more than a basic wedge shot which is what started this, then the rules matter a whole lot.

But this wedge shots should not be allowed that so many people profess because it gives a sameness to most shots needs to stop. There is a place in railroad photography, albeit an unexciting one, for a basic, well composed, light at your back 3/4 wedge.

Truthfully, the vast majority of train photos are 3/4 wedgies... night, day, pouring down rain or nasty fog. Because even a single locomotive tends to be longer than it is tall, they naturally lend themselves to the wedgie composition. The only offset for that is if you're above the train, or at a great distance from it, then the wedge isn't always ideal.

I suppose my point of view is that one should consider that they don't need to have a portfolio on RP.net with 125 wedgies from the same grade crossing or station platform. Great job (insert name here), you nailed a nice morning sunlight shot at (insert location here)... pick one or maybe two of your favorites and post those to RP. It's like a moth attracted to light with some people though, as if they can't get a high enough image count on the site.

Really what I'm saying is, people shouldn't make the screeners do what they should do for themselves. Be selective about their own work and only upload their best stuff, not everything that meets RP's rather basic requirements.


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