Old 05-07-2007, 05:27 PM   #1
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Just wondering on these two - both were rejected [and appealed] on high sun. Seems that the trucks are well lit and not stuck with a monster shadow on them, then again my monitor might not be good enough to pick up something subtle... Both were shot in the later afternoon around 3:30/4 pm I believe [don't have the originals right next to me]

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=369702&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=369743&key=0

Anyways, just curious what people say.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:11 PM   #2
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It might be more appropriate to say these shots are underexposed, as the trucks look fairly well lit but all the black of the underframe runs together and there is a loss of detail. This seems common when you have a unit with clean, black trucks/fuel tank/underframe. All that dark glossy black just seems to run together. Engines with black underframes and trucks are easier to expose when they get some grime and dirt on them.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:13 PM   #3
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I think cropping is also an issue with your shots. The images are very centered top to bottom...you might want to consider a little less foreground. This is especially evident in your first image...that concrete loooks very bright.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:32 PM   #4
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On your first shot, there are no shadows cast by the grass in the foreground and the white ballast looks harshly lit. The truck detail is hard to see on this shot. The second shot shows the trucks better, but it's still high sun. Take a look at the shadow the frame casts on the end of the fuel tank. I'm guessing you shot it closer to 3:00 PM, so with daylight savings, that's actually 2 PM sun time. That sort of light is very harsh. I think the high sun reject was correct.

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Old 05-07-2007, 06:41 PM   #5
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I think another issue is the two pictures are basically roster shots, and as such are held to a higher standard of lighting, since really good lighting is needed to show all the detail. Those standards might be compromised for a roster shot of "rare" power, but don't think those units quite qualify for that (yet).

Also as noted above, both pictures are dark. I think that could be solved in photoshop, but given the roster and lighting issue, is probably not worth trying.

Neither are bad pictures and in a more scenic or interesting situation the lighting and exposure would probably be acceptable.

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Old 05-07-2007, 09:54 PM   #6
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The dead give away that it's high sun is that the shadows are falling straight down onto the track and not the road bed. It's not horribly high sun, but enough to get it booted from RP.

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Old 05-08-2007, 12:49 PM   #7
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Alright, here's a high sun reject for opinion:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=152600324

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Old 05-09-2007, 01:12 PM   #8
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Just wondering on these two - both were rejected [and appealed] on high sun. Seems that the trucks are well lit and not stuck with a monster shadow on them, then again my monitor might not be good enough to pick up something subtle... Both were shot in the later afternoon around 3:30/4 pm I believe [don't have the originals right next to me]
Don't sweat it. I got a high sun rejection on a picture I took around 4pm in the afternoon this past winter (ie: shortest days of the year, sun at its LOWEST angle possible). The shadow from the loco was about 20 feet long off the backside, yet they still gave me a high sun rejection (not to mention there was snow on the ground, contradicting the "summer months" part of the rejection). I laughed so hard that I didn't even bother to appeal it.

As someone else pointed out, the shot you got approved is decent enough. I'd just stick with that and maybe try a solo shot on a day when the sun is at a better angle (morning or evening).

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