Old 05-03-2017, 01:27 PM   #1
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This was rejected for unlevel (leaning to the right).As it looks fine to me (and several other people that I showed it to),I'd be interested in others opinions -

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Does look to be leaning right a bit to me.
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:14 PM   #3
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A small amount of either vertical distortion correction, or a push on the bottom left corner in transform should fix it. *I don't believe that the entire image is unlevel, but rather it's a distortion issue from the lens / angle / focal length*.

* I'm at work eyeballing it, and do not have my normal photo editing equipment with me.

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It looks more level than this
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I saw that and wanted to call it out here, but never got around to it. That was so obviously unlevel, I'm not sure how the screener missed it.
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Edit: Never mind, I see I was late to the party. Hate it when threads that are no longer relevant (the O.P. issue was resolved) get revived - very confusing to my feeble old brain!
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This was rejected for unlevel (leaning to the right).As it looks fine to me (and several other people that I showed it to),I'd be interested in others opinions -

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...48&key=4733283
Depends on what you are leveling to but you cannot use the metal poles to level by since they are tapering poles. In PSE it is actually leaning left IF you use the buildings in the background. Its really screener preference at this point IMO. I'd try their suggestion, got nothing to lose.


Pic [615938] Is spot on with the only vertical part (the center white corner of the PDeck)of the pic.

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Depends on what you are leveling to but you cannot use the metal poles to level by since they are tapering poles. In PSE it is actually leaning left IF you use the buildings in the background. Its really screener preference at this point IMO. I'd try their suggestion, got nothing to lose.
I agree with Loyd that vertical distortion correction, possibly with a slight follow-up rotation, will correct this photo.

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Pic [615938] Is spot on with the only vertical part (the center white corner of the PDeck)of the pic.
Every vertical in that photo, including the stair tower and all of the open "windows" of the parking deck leans left. Maybe your grid needs calibration.
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Every vertical in that photo, including the stair tower and all of the open "windows" of the parking deck leans left. Maybe your grid needs calibration.
Screen shot of pic in PSE, I still don't see your lean..........
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:45 PM   #10
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I think the lean was part of the problem?

Seriously, I drag a vertical guide across the image and all the vertical lines line up pretty close, that is the edges of the windows top to bottom, the edges of blocks, the edges of the staircase. The windows themselves are not square to the camera so would not appear level?.

That is my take, Anyway I think CW was on the forum before having problems getting some accepted, a good subject matter esp a wreck is a cure.

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I think the lean was part of the problem?

.... The windows themselves are not square to the camera so would not appear level?.

That is my take, Anyway I think CW was on the forum before having problems getting some accepted, a good subject matter esp a wreck is a cure.

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Screen shot of pic in PSE, I still don't see your lean..........
I can't see your screen shot - not much more than a thumbnail.

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[quote=Decapod401;191208]I can't see your screen shot - not much more than a thumbnail.

Sorry about the thumbnail Doug. I cannot figure how to put a better image on here. I can see a slight difference with your rotation of 0.5, minimal, but different. But if we are discussing vert on an object well in the distance (100+ yards), I think the argument is a mute point considering the foreground subject. Made me look several times so thanks for a different viewpoint.

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I wonder what Jim has to say about this one?

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I wonder what Jim has to say about this one?
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Thias or Johnston?(Read Comments)
After comparing the two, apparently it was also underexposed.
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How dare all of you for attempting to slander the greatest railroad photographer ever!

Just kidding.. JJ's shot was fantastic. Burkholder's was a boff, with a lacking attempt to photoshop it into something useful, and missed the captain obvious in the level department.

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Kevin's also has the city misspelled, it is ShepHerdstown. Oddly, the only other person to have misspelled the city in that way is ... JJ! Who did so several times in 2006, presumably before he learned to add the "h".
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...Burkholder's was a boff, with a lacking attempt to photoshop it into something useful...

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C'mon Loyd! How often do you see a train AND a UFO in the same shot?? Freakin' awesome!
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People view photos on different levels, and I usually don't look that hard but since we are looking at details, the Johnston photo has a blurred tree lower right??? and the water and little piles of debris and one support seems blurred?? Not sure why. I like to look at reflections if I question a photo??

If I looked it up correctly the moon rises two hours before sunset so my guess it could not be very dark looking at the moon even though they are looking down??

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Unlevel? The guide line proves otherwise. What am I (or rather, photoshop) missing here?

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Unlevel? The guide line proves otherwise. What am I (or rather, photoshop) missing here?

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Wow. The difference between the two shots is quite something.

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Though I couldn't help but notice that, in both cases, there's a bit of sloppy masking work around the locomotives.

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