Where does the site stand on digital manipulation now? - Page 2

Joey Bowman · 06-16-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

The sky is purple, red, gray with crazy color separations!

I took a 2nd look, there is something funky inbetween the white/light red cloud and the gray cloud, but I still do not think that it was extremely faked.

I just took a 2nd 2nd look, as I was going to make a point about the power poles, though the poles look fine (usually people messing with the sky forget obscure details such as this), there is something weird going on with the actual lines.

Im still not completely convinced that the photographed messed with it a lot though, I wonder if its just suffering from some kind of weird compression or something?

LSRC Railfan · 06-16-2009, 04:08 AM

Back to the original question: Depends on the screener, the mood, and if it's done decently. The beauty of shooting RAW is you can make multiple layers with different exposures of the same image to make a more pleasing image.

JimThias · 06-16-2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

The sky is purple, red, gray with crazy color separations!

Kind of reminds me of some of your shots.

jdirelan87 · 06-16-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

I could pull 100s of over saturated shots out of the database if I wanted.

I found 389 in one click by hitting the link to your photos

TheRoadForeman · 06-16-2009, 02:14 PM

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I found 389 in one click by hitting the link to your photos

I believe you could fall under this category also John.

Freericks · 06-16-2009, 02:40 PM

Jim Thias, may I borrow your popcorn box emoticon?

travsirocz · 06-16-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jdirelan87

I found 389 in one click by hitting the link to your photos

Your the saturation king. Candyland man.

BarrySr · 06-16-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Freericks

Jim Thias, may I borrow your popcorn box emoticon?

Charles, you beat me to it! Popping some right now and waiting for the main attraction...

trainboysd40 · 06-16-2009, 06:38 PM

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Your the saturation king. Candyland man.

Hey, that's my crown. Give it back!

JimThias · 06-16-2009, 08:27 PM

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Your the saturation king. Candyland man.

I think it's that aqua filter he's using.

daveedmo · 06-16-2009, 08:45 PM

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I don't have a problem with the shot. I just don't get the random shots that get picked?

PhotoID: 287273
Photograph © Dave Edmondston

This shot looks more hdr then the BNSF one to me.

I can guarentee that no HDR was used on that shot. I have, obviously, altered the lighting on the shot, but only using the usual tools in Photoshop.

I have used HRD on non-rail pics*, but never experimented with spliting a RAW image. Maybe I will some day.

Cheers,
Dave

*see http://www.davee.co.uk/picture.php?blobId=89

odie · 06-16-2009, 08:46 PM

The Amtrak image is not HDR...it was just a cloudy image that was run through a filter in Elements6. The sun was shining bright behind my back, but a storm was moving in from the direction of the photo. Here is the original that is only sharpened and cropped from the RAW file.

travsirocz · 06-16-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by odie

The Amtrak image is not HDR...it was just a cloudy image that was run through a filter in Elements6. The sun was shining bright behind my back, but a storm was moving in from the direction of the photo. Here is the original that is only sharpened and cropped from the RAW file.

The other one didn't look hdr just the sky was crazy. Now seeing the two skies side by side, maybe some will notice the difference.

Mgoldman · 06-17-2009, 12:09 AM

Where the line crossed is the infinite question with no answer other then screener discretion. I'd say if the final image was similar to the actual scene it is acceptable as long as any drastic out of the camera adjustments are noted. While some detest Photoshop editing others seem fine with polarizers, red filters, graduated neutral density and Lens Baby's. For RP I'd suggest anything clearly not as seen by the eyes (not the mind) of the photographer should be scrutinized. Enhancements abound, fakes should not, or should be in a category of their own.

In my opinion, a true HDR is "fake" but a toned down HDR can be legitimate. After all, my eyes see detail in a black engine with a blue sky while my camera sees a black blob with a white sky. I have yet to create an actual HDR but like Dave's pic above (I imagine), I have done some dodge and burn via highlight and shadow recovery to revive a scene that my camera had a hard time describing to the sensor. I think a such processing is actually handled in camera with a Nikon much better then a Canon. Anyone want to trade systems?

/Mitch

Freericks · 06-17-2009, 01:29 AM

The other day I was waiting to pick up one of my kids from one of the dozens of things I'm always picking one or the other of them up from, when killing time I started tracing the old SP branch through town. I found a nice angle, where I clicked off a couple shots and thought, I could go home now and Photoshop in a Union Pacific local coming down the tracks here. In fact, I could Photoshop in the very local that works the end of this line that still exists back in downtown LA, putting it at the switch where it would be either heading to Santa Monica or Beverly Hills.

If I work at it long enough, the only thing that would tell anyone it's a fake is their knowledge that the line is abandoned (and actually cut).

Isn't Photoshop fun? (Before anyone decides to go crazy looking, no, I have never done anything like that... but check away if you must...)

khalucha · 06-17-2009, 02:50 AM

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??? That shade of purple is not a color you see in the sky.

Out here I see a lot of different colors, especially during the "monsoon" season.

travsirocz · 06-17-2009, 03:05 AM

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Out here I see a lot of different colors, especially during the "monsoon" season.

Well, you must be looking at the wrong picture.

jdirelan87 · 06-17-2009, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

Your the saturation king. Candyland man.

I'll keep punching the juice as long as you keep nuking the sky

travsirocz · 06-17-2009, 03:42 AM

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I'll keep punching the juice as long as you keep nuking the sky

You've got yourself a deal.

khalucha · 06-18-2009, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

Well, you must be looking at the wrong picture.

Same picture that you are looking at. I am sure if you found a couple of shots that had approaching storms in them you could see that color of purple.

travsirocz · 06-18-2009, 01:48 PM

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Same picture that you are looking at. I am sure if you found a couple of shots that had approaching storms in them you could see that color of purple.

Now that I have my red and blue 3D glasses on, yep that looks pretty cool.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) · 06-18-2009, 05:41 PM

EDIT: I read the thread instead of skimming. The first Amtrak was clearly not an HDR since the sun was at the photog's back. HDR is used when you cannot get the sky and subject to expose correctly on one frame.

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Now that I have my red and blue 3D glasses on, yep that looks pretty cool.

LSRC Railfan · 06-19-2009, 04:17 AM

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Today 12:41 PM
Andrew Blaszczyk (2) EDIT: HDR is used when you cannot get the sky and subject to expose correctly on one frame.

Not necessarily...you can use HDR whenever one would like to.

dejv · 06-19-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

??? That shade of purple is not a color you see in the sky.

It depends. I've seen once similarly coloured clouds at sunset. It was very clear winter day and I was in mountains, that fell to the west some 2000 ft to lowlands. As a result, the sun was still shining while it was far below the true horizon and its rays got unusual reddish.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Blaszczyk (2)

HDR is used when you cannot get the sky and subject to expose correctly on one frame.

I don't think so. It is also used when one can properly expose everything but parts of the image look unnaturally dark or light. Like in all those "bright sky, dark ground" situations, when the correct scene brightness to image brightness mapping result much higher contrast than that seen by naked eye.

travsirocz · 06-19-2009, 07:04 PM

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It depends. I've seen once similarly coloured clouds at sunset. It was very clear winter day and I was in mountains, that fell to the west some 2000 ft to lowlands. As a result, the sun was still shining while it was far below the true horizon and its rays got unusual reddish.

Ok, that purple can be seen, but not like in that photo. I will not and have not seen purple clouds with a hard color change to deep red clouds. Clouds usually have gradual color changes and when they have color, it will be shades of one color and usually not multicolored with drastic color changes.