Old 07-24-2009, 04:47 PM   #1
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It doesn't look like he got cropped out as the same section of grass is just to the right and back of the kid. Interesting that Alec didn't want to include the kid.

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Old 07-24-2009, 05:04 PM   #2
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You're not considering the possibility that the kid can turn invisible or slip off to a different dimenson, are you?

Interesting catch though.
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I don't know anything about hiow they're running trains up there, but the EXIF data suggests these shots were taken about 14 minutes apart. Now logically one of their camera clocks could be wrong, but is it possible they were taken at different times and just happened to be at the same place? It's hard to tell by the sky but Alec's shot looks much better. Could be accounted for in the shot settings, but the other shot looks over blown slightly.

Interesting though.

Admittedly, it does look like they were taken at the same time.
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Possibly Alec got both the kid and Nicholas in the shot and decided to clone them both out? Although when chasing 4449 through the land of foam, it's hard to not get a shot without someone else in, so I don't exactly blame him for cloning out.

I do see the times as slightly different, but the train was headed south/east through Banister from Alma to Owosso, and wasn't doing run-bys at that location. Same wave from the cab, same people in the same spots on the train too, although Alec's train is going to owAsso.
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Great catch! The clouds look slightly different in both images, if you ask me, although I think it might be the fact that the blue doesn't stand out as much in Nick's shot. It almost makes the image look more overcast than anything else.

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Great catch! The clouds look slightly different in both images, if you ask me, although I think it might be the fact that the blue doesn't stand out as much in Nick's shot. It almost makes the image look more overcast than anything else.
If you crop in the wider shot to the zone covered by the tighter shot, you see the same patterns in the clouds. That narrower zone has no clear sky in it. Nick's shot also has a bit more magenta in the sky also.
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From my perspective, the second shot was taken just a little further down the line than the first. The large tree and tower combination are much less prominent in the second shot. At that distance, even if the photographer couldn't crop the little kid out, cloning him out would be about as significant as dust removal. Non-issue IMO.

I suspect that more than a few photos from the festival will include at least a little foam....uh dust removal. I would have gone to TrainFest too, but my local camera emporium was fresh out of 72mm People Filters!
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The trains are in different locations. The first photo has the stop sign next to the second car. The second photo has the stop sign at the end of the third car. Also the white piece of trash laying in the grass is also in a different location in reference to the train. These two photos could not have been taken at the same time.

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The trains are in different locations. The first photo has the stop sign next to the second car. The second photo has the stop sign at the end of the third car. Also the white piece of trash laying in the grass is also in a different location in reference to the train. These two photos could not have been taken at the same time.

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I don't think anyone is thinking the two photos were taken at EXACTLY the same time, as you can easily tell the train was about one car length further down. Just thought it was interesting how one photographer got closer to the kid and kept him in the photo, while the other cloned him out as he wasn't close enough to get details on the kid.

I'm plenty ok if people clone things out, just saw these two photos were quite similar in time sequence of getting accepted, and when browsing Steam 4-8-4 shots, they came up right next to each other in the database.
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You're not considering the possibility that the kid can turn invisible or slip off to a different dimenson, are you?
There are some strange happenings in Michigan these days.

Speaking of cloning people out of pics, I submitted a photo yesterday where I cloned out a photographer who had cloned out several people in his shot of the same scene. I left the people in, but cloned him out as a joke. Unfortunately it was hit with "cloudy day," so it'll never see the light of day on RP.
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"cloudy day," so it'll never see the light of day on RP.
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or on here?
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Well, I haven't been looking hard at the 4449 stuff, but to me that has enough compositional interest and enough uniqueness to warrant an appeal. Or resubmit and knock down the saturation a bit, looks too juiced for that time of day.
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Thanks, but I'll probably just let it go. I was too late to submitting it from this location, hence the common power part of the rejection.
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Too much blown skies and too much grey, IMO....
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Too much blown skies and too much grey, IMO....
There is no blown sky in my shot.
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There is no blown sky in my shot.
Well Jim, you know that I would have used my split-grad ND with that! Seriously though, you are right, the sky is not blown out!
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Well, I haven't been looking hard at the 4449 stuff, but to me that has enough compositional interest and enough uniqueness to warrant an appeal. Or resubmit and knock down the saturation a bit, looks too juiced for that time of day.
Ditto. Jim's photo has way more interest than the ton of common power cloudy day wedgies that got through.
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Well, blown skies, big bright spots distracting me from the train, same thing...*grumbles*
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