Old 08-11-2006, 07:05 PM   #1
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Hello to all. I'm wondering if I can't get some advice on the following photo's.
1) Was rejected for "bad cropping"
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277383
I attempted to use the rule of thirds and resubmitted. There is no reason listed as the rejection, but I'm assuming it's still cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277486
2) Same issue rejected for cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277385
I had wanted to show the father helping his son bait his hook, but I cropped that out in this shot. Again, no reason listed, but I assume cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277487

I have not attempted these "far away" type of shots in the past, so I'm just trying to get a handle on the idea. My motive in both photo's was to show the houses, the cliff, the train and the river. There was an issue with some very bright clouds, which was causing a back lit or washed out look so I could not show much sky.
Thanks for your opinions
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:01 PM   #2
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I'm left a bit puzzled here, but I'm assuming what happened is the screeners didn't like the shot and "bad cropping" was the closest available reject. I'm thinking they didn't like the houses or the lighting. The lack of sun makes the water kind of dull and the shot lacks impact. Your shot has the train quite small and I would guess they didn't think the houses added anything. If you zoomed in more, or if you have a large enough image, try cropping along the top of the cliff and cutting out more water and see how that looks.

I like the idea of your shots, but if this is a location where you can try again, I would hope for a sunny day and then try and shoot the locomotives where the shoreline is open and the trucks aren't obscured. In your first shot, the lead unit is OK, but the others are behind a low bank. On your last shot, the trucks are in the clear, but a pole is in the way on the second unit and the trailing unit is behind some brush.

On your shot of the father baiting the hook, they are pretty small and it isn't clear what they are doing. If you ever get the chance to do it again, I would consider going in tight on the father/son with the train in the background for a real human interest shot.

Nice try and good luck.

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Old 08-11-2006, 08:28 PM   #3
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Hello to all. I'm wondering if I can't get some advice on the following photo's.
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1) Was rejected for "bad cropping"
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277383
I attempted to use the rule of thirds and resubmitted.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277486
Well you really didn't follow the rule because the train is still in the middle of the photo. There is no reason listed as the rejection, but I'm assuming it's still cropping. I'll try to explain this without getting too confusing. The water is rather boring in this shot, there are no waves, no people, no nothing just water. I would take that away from the bottom and to keep it 1024X768 I would take away from the left side including the house because it is too cluttered to see anyway. This leaves the engine more towards the left side of the photo and more towards the bottom following the rule of thirds. If you did any exposure editing on this photo I would redo it and try to keep the sky from getting washed out and keep the train lit. I can tell the sun is out by the reflection in the water (keep that in mind on a calm day).
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2) Same issue rejected for cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277385
I had wanted to show the father helping his son bait his hook, but I cropped that out in this shot. Again, no reason listed, but I assume cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277487
IMO I don't need to knoo what people are doing in a photo (especially the guy in this one
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) as long as they are there they add 'life'. I would try to go vertical with this one. The lashup is interesting enough that showing the train is really not necessary. I would keep the folks on the shoreline in the bottom right corner and put the red?/brick? house in the top left.
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I have not attempted these "far away" type of shots in the past, so I'm just trying to get a handle on the idea. My motive in both photo's was to show the houses, the cliff, the train and the river. There was an issue with some very bright clouds, which was causing a back lit or washed out look so I could not show much sky.
Thanks for your opinions
You did very well for your first day of "far away" shots by staying away from telephotoing into the subject and making it boring. I usually leave room for cropping when I take a photo 1) I never take a level photo and well need to get rid of some of the sides anyway 2) I can never decide what I will want to keep or get rid of so I include everything and crop down latre. When you do this make sure you save them at the largest size so you do not run out of pixels to work with. Also try saving the original as a TIFF and crop down that version so you do not lose quality when you are unsure of what you want to do with it. It looks like you kept making the photos squares with even dimenisons on all sides, make sure the final crop looks like a rectangle and not a square. Good luck with these I think they have a good chance of making it! Hope this helped.
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On further consideration, Andrew is right and I was wrong. I guess I was trying to think like a screener!

Put the houses in the shot, the pink one in particular adds interest. Put the locomotive 1/3 in from the left edge and 1/3 up from the bottom, that will cut out some of the water, which we both agree is flat and boring. Make sure your image is either 1024 X 768 (or 800 X 600) on a horzontal crop or 768 X 1024 on a vertical. If you try the father and son shot, definitely go vertical.

Again, nice first try.

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Old 08-12-2006, 01:02 AM   #5
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Hello to all. I'm wondering if I can't get some advice on the following photo's.
1) Was rejected for "bad cropping"
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277383
I attempted to use the rule of thirds and resubmitted. There is no reason listed as the rejection, but I'm assuming it's still cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277486
2) Same issue rejected for cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277385
I had wanted to show the father helping his son bait his hook, but I cropped that out in this shot. Again, no reason listed, but I assume cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277487

I have not attempted these "far away" type of shots in the past, so I'm just trying to get a handle on the idea. My motive in both photo's was to show the houses, the cliff, the train and the river. There was an issue with some very bright clouds, which was causing a back lit or washed out look so I could not show much sky.
Thanks for your opinions
There needs to be less water in the shot. You can still have the shore in the photo, as long as you get at a lower angle.

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Old 08-12-2006, 01:37 AM   #6
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Hello to all. I'm wondering if I can't get some advice on the following photo's.

I had wanted to show the father helping his son bait his hook, but I cropped that out in this shot. Again, no reason listed, but I assume cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=277487

I have not attempted these "far away" type of shots in the past, so I'm just trying to get a handle on the idea. My motive in both photo's was to show the houses, the cliff, the train and the river. There was an issue with some very bright clouds, which was causing a back lit or washed out look so I could not show much sky.
Thanks for your opinions
Andrew pretty much hit the nail on the head with his observations and I think you where just plain unlucky with the light. The only other observation I will make is I think you need just a bit more colour saturation in the shot and a we bit of a tweak with the sharpening control.

I had a quick go at cropping the last photo into a vertical, I think it works a bit better. You have got the right idea with what you are trying to achieve you just need the light to be on your side.

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Old 08-12-2006, 04:47 AM   #7
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Thank you all for the GREAT advice. I'm not sure if I did exactly what you all recommended but I did manage to get them in. I hope with all the advice that I can produce some even better "long range" shots in the future
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=154735
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=154734

Again my thanks for the great input
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