Old 02-28-2012, 12:09 AM   #1
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Usually I'm pretty nitpicky about photos and I understand the rejection reasons 90% of the time. But this time, I'm just stumped. I don't know what is wrong here (besides the rejection reasons, which I still don't really see.)

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The cut off bridge maybe?
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:12 AM   #3
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Two subjects in the picture. I do quite agree with you however that the picture overall is very good, I would be proud to have it on my FB or wallpaper on my monitor in my office at work but, there is clearly two subjects, the train and that amazing bridge. JMHO, hope it helps
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Yeah, I guess the bridge might be distracting. Oh well. Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
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Hi Chase,

I think the other guys have it. Right side too empty. The only thing on the right is the really narrow section of the bridge, and that is unfortunately cut off with the frame. It is a decent shot. That camera position just doesn't leave you much for a pleasing composition.

Crop it closer on the top and right (4:5), putting the nose of the train in the lower right third. Yes, the bridge will still be cut off, but it will be a background object, not featured as a subject. Still a bit awkward, but much more in line with the RP rules.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:36 AM   #6
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I'll give it a shot. Thanks Kevin!
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Nope. Dumped again...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...37&key=4677295

Any ideas now?
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:43 AM   #8
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Could you possibly get some elevation and get the bridge over the train? That would look really nice. Also, I could possibly see a comp/balance rejection next because of the dead sky space. All of the action is going on at the bottom, which throws the attention down and leaves the frame unbalanced. Cropping off some sky would be beneficial in my opinion.
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Jake, I'd have to haul a ladder in or stand father back on the rocks to get higher. It's a tough call. I like the photo, apparently RP doesn't. That's all right, I'll let it go. (It's going on the desktop!! )

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You gave up the bridge to bring in that scraggly tree????

Start with the original, don't add to the left, crop on the right and top. Keep enough of the bridge so you see the suspension cable come down to road level.
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The tree, unfortunately, wouldn't move. I'm cautious to try to upload again, it's been about 6 times rejected for the same thing. Last time this happened, I got banned and had to create a new account....
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That location certainly has potential. I dont think the inclusion of the rest of the bridge blocked by a tree would help.

But standing to the left or further down the line where you can get the whole bridge would help, as would a little elevation.

Personally I think it could get in as-is, versus a dozen or so boring shots accepted today, but that's my opinion.
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That location certainly has potential. I dont think the inclusion of the rest of the bridge blocked by a tree would help.

But standing to the left or further down the line where you can get the whole bridge would help, as would a little elevation.

Personally I think it could get in as-is, versus a dozen or so boring shots accepted today, but that's my opinion.
Agree with ya on the last line there.


But anyways, GREAT SUCCESS!
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=390793

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.

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To be clear, when I said "tree" I meant, not the branches intruding from the right, but in the revised crop, that gnarly thing newly appearing on the left edge.
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That works too ...

you turned the gnarly thing into a focal point!
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Agree with ya on the last line there.


But anyways, GREAT SUCCESS!
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=390793

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it.

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There you go! Looks good!
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I'm not a fan of the crop that got on. That dead tree does nothing for me.

Sky is really overprocessed looking too.
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Interesting. When I first cropped it, I did exactly what J suggested. Initially, I felt that cutting the bridge at a logical (visually pleasing) point was most important. Then, I saw where the nose of the train was and thought they'd still bang you. That's when I bailed and suggested the ROT crop, which obviously didn't go over well with the Screeners.

Been to lots of locations like this and passed on them most of the time, because I couldn't see a visually pleasing frame when I looked in the viewfinder.
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I'm not a fan of the crop that got on. That dead tree does nothing for me.

Sky is really overprocessed looking too.
I'm not either. Before it got accepted, I did my own variation:



Still---it suffers from a lack of foreground "framing": a tree, some rocks, signal...anything.

The color of the nose looked a little weird on my screen. Was that true for anyone else?
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I'm not either. Before it got accepted, I did my own variation:



Still---it suffers from a lack of foreground "framing": a tree, some rocks, signal...anything.

The color of the nose looked a little weird on my screen. Was that true for anyone else?
Yes, color is off on my monitor - actually on both my monitors.
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Jake, I'd have to haul a ladder in or stand father back on the rocks to get higher.
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Perhaps you can do this while shooting another train? The first thing that came to mind for me was to get wider to show more of the bridge on the right as well as getting higher. If you can do both, then that will allow you to shoot a train closer to you in the scene and it will be "below" the bridge, as well as not cutting the bridge off unnaturally on the right.

You can always do variations of the same scene with different trains.
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Maybe you would want to fix that awful yellow tint too.
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You gave up the bridge to bring in that scraggly tree????

Start with the original, don't add to the left, crop on the right and top. Keep enough of the bridge so you see the suspension cable come down to road level.
Precisely. It was just a bit top heavy and to a degree, included too much "extra" to the right.

I'm surprised the final image got in as is - the engine is a bit centered and I'm not particularly fond of the tree as a subject nor the now "extra" in the left side.



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Ian is correct on the color balance issue too - it's not a bad idea to run an image through "Auto-color" just for confirmation. In this case, it did the trick.
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I'm surprised the final image got in as is - the engine is a bit centered
Mitch, are you just a wee bit confused between the final accepted image and the Ron/me/you variations on the original? The accepted shot doesn't have the engine anywhere near the center, whereas the variations all do.
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Mitch, are you just a wee bit confused between the final accepted image and the Ron/me/you variations on the original? The accepted shot doesn't have the engine anywhere near the center, whereas the variations all do.
No - you have the tree on the left, the bridge on the right and the train and consist in the center. My crop is as you suggested - the train and consist is clearly taking up the right side of the image while the bridge occupies the right. I think it was a bit top heavy, originally, for RP.

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